Brexit -am I stupid or what

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  1. KFF

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    What's wrong with that.... he (she) was still the most popular, whether it was by 1 vote or 10,000 , that's what the word " majority " means.
     
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      Because if you add up the votes it always comes out different, the constituency thing needs to go, its false democracy, how many times have you heard ranglings over constituency boundaries?

      There is no way they can make 100% sure that each constituency has the same number of voters. And who works out how many constituencies there should be?

      Why not just add up all the votes and the party with the most votes wins?

      Your MP pretty much doesn't give a s*** until election time comes round, and even then, if they have a safe seat, they won't bother.
      I have never had a leaflet even, put through my door, from my MP, they know they are going to win so just do nothing.
       
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        The constituencies are decided by the Boundary Commission ( there are four of these in the UK one for each of England, Wales, Scotland and N.I. ). These are non-political organisations. They can change every 5 years.

        The trouble with adding up all the votes and the party with the most votes wins is that for P.R. to work constituencies are lumped together in groups and then the MPs are picked from the highest number of votes.
        So, you may find that the party with the most votes actually came in second or third place in each constituency. Then , that person would be that constituents MP. How would that make the people feel knowing that the person who came second or third would be representing them.

        As I've said on here many, many times before to other people don't judge other MPs by the standard of your own. We have had an excellent MP now for almost 10 years and he does care for this area . I think we must have a way of picking good ones in our region as we've had two Prime Ministers and four cabinet ministers from our region and presently two cabinet ministers are within 15 miles of me.
         
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          Sorry but I've lost the plot. Remaining neutral. Is this forthcoming election. A general election, as has taken place over the years as a means by which the public can express their agreement or lack of for whatever party. or. Is this now so-called general election some kind of an escape mechanism. Surely folk may see it as, as Boris more or less saying. 'Sod it' The house can't agree on anything. Let's have a general election. 'Whooup lad. That can be taken as. I'm chucking the towel in. Forgive me but. My limited understanding of a general election, has always been for the populas to show by voting, who they want to represent them in parliament. Now the election appears to be dominated by a disguised vote,referendrum on Brexit.
          From what the news media is sending out. Corbyn and Swinton are both sayin in effect. Stuff what the public want, have voted for. I/We are going to do it my way.

          As has been brought to the fore. MP's, parliament have been voted into power by the general public. To perhaps coin an old saying. Street trader to local MP. Look matey, I'm paying your wages. If it wasn't for the man in the street. These bods would be quing up at the job center.
           
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            Aha, that's my problem @Mike Allen I am lousy at even appearing neutral on most issues! But I do think proportional representation is a good thing. If we had that, we wouldn't have Mr. Blackface at the top of the heap right now.

            I'd be interested in knowing the differences in how MP's act from over there as compared to here.

            Here, the party gets "whipped" and all MP,s obey their party leader by voting his choice.
             
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              The PR systems that have been proposed in the past wouldn't have worked either. There are quite a lot of countries that have one form of PR or the other and the general population seem to complain about all of them.

              The most common forms are:-

              Single Transferable Vote (about three different versions of this!)

              Additional Member System (Scotland have a form of this, hence the 129 seats, and that has worked out well, hasn't it? :whistle:)

              Party List Voting

              Open or Flexible List

              and many more :phew:
               
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              You're right Mike, this is exactly the case. Parliament couldn't decide anything so there was little else to be done and it's now all in - let the country show the path they want to take. Same as a regular GE but with more immediate large scale issues at hand
               
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                I agree - shame that the same logic goes right out of the window when it comes to many people understanding that there was well over a million more votes for the decision that was the majority decision, which was to leave the EU.
                 
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                  I agree with you FC but also remember that if we take Gina Miller and the Labour party out of the equation we probably would have left by now anyway.
                   
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                        A lot of folks live in smokeless zones now, so can't follow your lead. I do predict a fall in Andrex sales in the next few weeks though....
                         
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                          I think leaving the labour party out of the equation is slightly stretching it a bit, ;), I mean they are the opposition.:biggrin:

                          The point I was pretty bad at making is that if you add up those that didn't vote for a winning candidate it often amounts to more than the votes the winning candidate gets.

                          Also if you live in a safe seat area for any particular party, your vote is wasted if you dont vote for that party, and will have no bearing in the election whatever.:smile:
                           
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