Brexit -am I stupid or what

Well, there is a way the Parliament could get around it by having a 2nd Referendum (I hate the dumbed down term of "Peoples Vote" which is thought up to make it sound more acceptable) and ducking their responsibility of making the decisions we voted them and pay them for. So, forgive me if my thoughts take me to the River of Doubt but she is a determined person who just might have always wanted to remain in the EU and continuing to try to push through such a deal knows a No Brexit is becoming more of a possibility

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Good morning I love politics and enjoy watching all the action on TV and I have spent many years studying body language,this is just my observation,yesterday I felt very sorry for Jeremy Bernard Corbyn who is 69 now,he was really put down by Teresa May and never spoke after that,he is like a fish out of water,when he is speaking he never looks up from his notes I guess this is because he doesn't want to make eye contact with anyone,where as confident leaders can read 3 or 4 lines at a glance and look directly at who they are speaking to,he is not an orator with eloquence or skill.

This is in now way derogatory to Mr Corbyn as he is a fine man with great principals and sincere beliefs,but unfortunately he hasn't the strength of character or personality to be a leader of any political party,just my humble opinnion of course

1,A second referendum well the last one took 7 months to arrange my personal view at this moment in time is that I can't see it

Oh dear I said I wasn't going to get involved in this thread

 

I have a logical type problem with a second referendum.

There were some MPs on the radio discussing the idea of the first one and wanted to overturn it and have a second one "to get a proper decision".

Their argument was that it was only 'advisory' and so parliament can decide to overturn/ignore it. So, in essence, they're arguing that a referendum is not binding. (No stated political point of view from me on this one .)

If they're arguing that a referendum is not important enough for them to act on the result (which they appear to be saying) then why ask for another one if they can't think referenda have any importance?

 

I don't get the bothering with a confidence vote in the leadership at this point - she'd have been forced out as soon as the deal as rejected anyway, surely? TM going back to the EU to seek assurances to beg for votes on the deal back home obviously isn't going so well as there was an EU chap who said 'we haven't given any assurances on the backstop as the UK haven't asked for any'!
In terms of succession I could quite happily see Johnny Mercer in the position but I think he hasn't the inclination (which imo makes him a better fit than most!)

 

Good morning Loofah well in answer to the first question they cannot have another no confidence vote for at least 12 months.

The answer to your second question is never say never.

Johnny Mercer voted to remain in the EU in the 2016 referendum - around 60% of people in Plymouth voted to leave.

• Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
• always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits

Johnny Mercer voted for cuts in housing benefit for recipients in supported housing.

Johnny Mercer voted for reductions in benefits for disabled and ill claimants who are deemed capable of work.

Johnny Mercer voted in favour of cutting universal credit benefits for many people in paid work


Johnny Mercer voted in favour of proposed spending cuts and changes to the welfare system and in favour of spending on new nuclear weapons.

 

It was more that Mercer has previously discounted running for the office rather than how he's voted Woo.

My first point was that the no confidence vote / fiasco was needless. When TM tables the deal for voting by MP's and loses (I'm presuming here) then her position would have been such that she'd be obliged to resign and so why have the no confidence vote now? It would have been better timed for after the vote on the brexit deal. But then again I'm sure there are other back room shenanigans occurring so who knows?

 

The problem for the Tories, Loofah, is that they know that if a Leadership contest was initiated there is nobody stupid enough to volunteer for the Poisoned Chalice job of negotiating BREXIT.
. Rees Mogg and the ERG committee really want May "gone" and I think they lost the plot in their distaste for her, not believing that they might lose the vote. The fact that May's last trip to Europe trying to persuade Macron, Rutte, Merkel, etc was futile and done in desperation, that triggered a number of MP's to send a letter of no confidence, while before they had held their hand, triggering the No Confidence Vote when it got past 48.

 

We popped to Sainsburys on the way home tonight to get some bread, and I was shocked at how quiet it was for the time of year - normally, at around half past five in the evening, on the lead up to Christmas there are people with trolleys full of stuff, sometimes even two. Today, it was people buying the basics and not a lot more.

I was in Kingston yesterday afternoon for a lunch, and being a bit of a retail Mecca, it too is normally heaving - queues for the car parks causing chaos......... yesterday, nothing.

 

May's one, and only, hope, Simon, of getting her deal approved by her own MP's, the DUP, and some Labour MP's is to get the EU to agree to the UK having the right to a unilateral decision to leave the Backstop when it wants. At the moment the UK can only leave the Backstop with the agreement of the EU so, if the EU won't agree, we would have to stay within the EU under the rules agreed in the deal.. At the moment I. personally, think May's chances of getting the EU to give a clear, legally binding, agreement to giving the UK that right to a unilateral decision regarding the Backstop is around zero to less than zero