Brexit -am I stupid or what

We've had a flipping Liberal democrat mp ..I want to make it clear ..It wasn't my doing.Bloody wishy washy nonsense .A neighbour was so was so excited that 'they actually got the shrubbery cut back in the cul-de-sac'..I had to remind them that it had taken 2 bloody years ..

 

I dont think my MP actually does much, I'm on the boundary of the constituency, so I dont think she knows we exist.
She's Conservative, very conservative.

 

I generally try to avoid talking about Brexit, as it divides people.. it's nice to get along rather than argue, fight etc.

My opinion is the EU has done this country a lot of good, but the EU could do better. I think UK could help make it better if we took our position seriously.

I don't think the EU is as bad as is claimed but does need to fix a few teething problems in time and I hope British ingenuity and high standards can help the EU achieve that.

 

Not totally correct. Free credits are issued at the start of the period and any excess emissions have to be payed for at the end of the period using credits bought on the open market. British Steel (which was sold to a private investment company in 2016) has failed to buy enough credits over the last year to cover its total 2018 emissions and is actually believed to have sold some of its free credits for 2018 over the last year to raise capital. So it is a mess of their own (and parliaments) making I'm afraid. Also bear in mind that the EU announced this way back in November of last year, almost two months before the allocation was due. Also, it was only three or four weeks ago that British Steel said that they had it covered and it wasn't an issue.
The reason that the EU has temporarily withheld credits is because it has no idea if the UK will remain a part of the scheme (for the duration of a transition period as in Mays deal if it finally gets voted through) or we will drop out of it (as in the event of a no deal Brexit). Credits will be issued retrospectively either as a whole (in the event of us remaining for the full year) or in part pro rata if we crash out. As they usually issue a full years worth of credits it would be possible for a company to use these credits as a 'loan' by trading them if they so wished (or needed to) and a sudden deluge of free credits coming to market would also cause a large drop in their market value.

 

Please explain. I for one struggle to understand the apparent 'victim complex' that the UK appears to be suffering from. Remember, for many years before the referendum it has been the UK that has been stamping its stroppy little feet saying we are special and we expect to be treated thus.

 

Well really the EU haven't had to negotiate, right from day one they saw all the remainers in Parliament, and more importantly in May's cabinet and decided to sitback and watch the R soles destroy themselves.

Said it before and I'll say it again, at no point in the last 3 yrs has this country, MPs and Government shown the EU a united front, that we are leaving.

They have let the remainers here, in high places, do the EU's job for them.
If we are victims, we are victims of our own ridiculous, so called, democracy that needs a good kick up the jacksee.

 

The view of the UK from where I live is of a group of countries that could have been of great value to Europe and could equally have benefitted from the association, but never had the faith or will to commit 100%. As so many have said already, it's far more effective to implement changes from within an organisation, from a position of importance and power! I would have said that during the negociations for departure, the EU have shown rather more forbearance and flexibility than the current shambles of a government deserve!

 

Hi @noisette47 , I agree with 99% of what you say but it's not the Government that has caused the problems it's Parliament (the opposition and minor parties ) who pushed to have a say after Gina Miller put her oar in.

 

I dont think we ever have really clicked with Europe and as for getting change from within, it's been tried for about 40 yrs, but Europe just want member countries that blindly follow what France and Germany decide upon.
Oh they go through the motions of making out that all members are equal.
But some are more equal than others

And its the old problem of the EU wanting more and more to run the UK and the other members, I dont understand that bit, Why?? What is the ultimate aim??
I think that is probably my biggest single reason for wanting to leave, I still want a UK that can function on its own.

Problem I'm now having is that the idiots in charge are more or less pointing out that we dont even have the ability to make decisions for ourselves, the EU has driven a wedge right through the country.

Our dependence on the EU seems to have reached a point where it is impossible to leave.
Which is pretty much what the EU is about, once you join you dare not leave, due to the knots that they have tied you up in.

 

How is it the EU that has driven a wedge through the country? The issue of leaving it has, granted, but the EU didn't instigate the decision! It's the old chestnut about the EU being responsible for all the UK's ills. People need someone or something to blame, and the UK press and media, as well as self-serving megalomaniacs like JRM, Farage and Johnson, have handed it to 'the great British public' on a plate.

 

Ok I probably worded it wrong, but it is the actions of the EU that have made more than half the adult population want to leave.