Brexit -am I stupid or what

Do we need a "people's vote" now

 

No we had one once before and look what that achieved.

 

With all due respect I expected better of you than that video. A pastiche of edited snippets of answers that were given no context by including the question, in a random order, and from a staunch Brexit promoting organisation. Jeez, the offer quoted is not even top secret, it is what the EU and the UK are working towards and has been all along. The real issue is that hardline Brexiteers believe that the risk of a return of The Troubles to Northern Ireland is a price worth paying to leave the EU and worth the risk - it's called the backstop and it these people who have put the brakes on Brexit.

My turn to travel this weekend and so my other half made our way to Utrecht to meet my (Dutch) daughter on her birthday yesterday. One of her friends had watched the Question Time from a couple of weeks ago with Farage on it and asked me how can a nation be duped by a man who advocates WTO rules yet has no understanding of them himself!

For what it's worth I now see a no deal Brexit as inevitable.

 

@longk , one question. well a few really .
Why can we not leave the EU?
Why does the EU make it so difficult for member countries to leave?

Have we been so tied up in knots by them that unravelling it is so difficult?
Is that their ultimate aim?
To make it so difficult to leave that no member country will ever even consider it?

If we are forced to join the Euro I think at that point there will be definitely no escaping their clutches.
If there is a no deal Brexit it will be down to the EU and Parliament in the UK.
I think we should have a deal, so why can't the sods work one out, bunch of bloody morons the lot of them.

The Irish border is an historical problem that goes way back, before the EU was even thought of, and lets face it, it's not even sorted out now properly, and I doubt it ever will.

On a different note, I find the SNP pretty funny.
They want a referendum on independence, but want to remain in the EU?
Now that is a really strange way of looking at things.

 

No it's not funny, Pete, any more than for the hundreds of thousands of English who believe that, with some reforms, the UK is better off in the EU. Wasn't the independence referendum result pretty close? So nearly half the Scots who voted want to split from UK. The figure is probably a lot higher now as they feel that they're being dragged out of the EU by default and largely against their wishes. This fiasco is costing people jobs, livelihoods, family and friendship ties, security....you name it! Not really very funny.....

 

It was edited and so you cannot rely on what was said - there is no context for what was said. So no, there are no facts in that clip, merely statements.
Given access to the same footage I could almost certainly put together a montage of that lot saying that they had no intention of sorting a deal out because the job was a cushy number so why bother doing what they were meant to! Context is everything - include no context and anything can be implied with clever editing.

If you mean the House of Commons they have solved nothing at all.

The overall rate of taxation in the UK is one of the lowest in what we term the developed world, lower than both the EU and OECD average and yet we have a health service, social welfare, pretty advanced infrastructure compared to much of the world, education for all (even in later years), accesible and so on. Yes a lot of things could be better, but the absolute fact is that we are luckier than most - a fact that the British steadfastly refuse to accept.

I'm not sure that it is a dictatorship no matter how much we may disagree with smoking bans, sugar taxes etc.

We can!

They haven't, it is the British MPs and career opportunist Brexiteer tory scumbags (you know the ones that I mean) manouverings that have made it difficult. The transition deal is there on the table (and it is only a transition deal) but those scummers see no advantage to their careers in that. And that is all that has made it not happen, not the EU.

It can be worked out but we need to enter into the transition period first.

It was sorted out but Cameron cocked it up! The Good Friday agreement has lasted 21 years.

Why? At the last independence referendum the Scots voted to remain a part of the UK and as a consequence part of the EU. In the EU referendum they voted to stay in the EU but it was the English who pulled that rug from under their feet by voting to leave. So it is the English who have moved the goalposts not the Scots.

 

Oh dear, it’s not getting any better is it? I honestly believe the EU are making it as difficult as possible to stop any other countries from trying to leave...we are being made an ‘example’ for sure.

 

But the transition deal is there waiting! It is our MPs who are standing in the way of progress.

 

Those calling for a second vote are banking on folks changing their minds. I don’t think the outcome will be very different and if so what then?
A narrow majority in favour of brexit was still a majority.....had it been the other way nothing more would have been said.
The EU is struggling on so many levels. The UK is still thriving !

 

"Oh! What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive"

This age old quotation comes to mind.

Right from the first ever thoughts, ideas etc of what is now known as the EU/Common Market. From day one. The populus was spun countless stories and wishful thoughts and ideals for a secure, interelated coexistence with our european neighbours. Europe had endured a terrible and devasting history. Now at last! a light at the end of the tunnel. Many good points were obviously raised and selected or rejected. Sadly as so often takes place, some bending of the rules etc also were born.

The three prominant powers, Germany, Britain and France may have played friendly and well together for a time. Then as so often happens. I/We want to be boss.

 

What!! GDP is falling, inflation is creeping up, productivity refuses to climb and business investment here in the UK is approaching its lowest level since 2008. And that is thriving!
And lets not forget that all this is happening whilst we are still clinging on to the EU trade deals. Once we leave they go. Not such a huge deal as businesses are already leaving and migrating to Europe as my other half and I know all too well. Interestingly the bank that she works for is seeing an upturn in new business since moving to Frankfurt.
Yup, the FTSE is strong but as you and I both know and understand there is a simple explanation for that and it is dependent on the EU trade deals that we use.