Canna 2012

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  1. JWK

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    Having read all these posts about the virus it suddenly dawned on me that nearly all my Canna are infected, I'd been thinking these were 'nice' markings I'd got but now I realise it's not been the bad weather to blame for my poor canna showings this year. The affected cannas were all purchased from Homebase last year. What do you think?

    Tropicanna Gold:
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    Tropicanna Orange:
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    Tropicanna Black:
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    Another Orange (following two photos) which I think is OK?
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    I reckon I should bin the lot and start again next year (apart from pete's cleopatra and some others I've grown from seed this year which look OK)
     
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    'Fraid so, JWK:mad:
     
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      Sorry JWK , I`ve got the same problem and even more now I`m scared of keeping the good one as I still have few good cannas......I really don`t know if I should bin them all of then start again from seeds or dealing with it try not to be tempted to buy anymore cannas from shop.?
      Funny think I can`t honestly point my finger , but last year my cannas where all healty untill bought some cannas rizhoma out of a really famous specialist in the tropical nursery ....but can`t point my finger.
      Relly love some of them and they are not available from seeds.
       
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        No wonder mine have been terrible this year.

        I think I fall into the category of novice Canna admirer, looking back through my photos taken last year just after I purchased them from Homebase I can see the virus infection already. At the time I'd never heard of it and just assumed the plant was supposed to look like that :doh:

        Well they are nothing special so it's not a great loss if I bin them. In fact I'm now looking forwad to next year and getting some healthy stock.
         
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        I'm going to keep the one or two of mine that appear healthy. Next year when the new leaves start to appear it should be obvious if they are still clean or not.

        I'll wait till after that to buy new stock.
         
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        I've shyed away from buying one or two new cannas that I have seen this year.

        Mostly because I dont like the look of the leaves, I'm sure there are lots of infected ones out there still being sold.
        I'm sure that is how it gets spread in most cases, I know it spread by sap sucking insects but not many people around my way actually grow cannas, so I'm pretty sure you just need to bring a diseased one into your garden.

        If you dead head, you can be the source of infection.;)
         
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          Yes I probably did a lot of damage spreading it about last year when there were plenty of flowers. This year I've hardly got any flowers :doh:
           
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          This is a scary bit from that link to catch out the novice canna spotter (like me):

          "There is no law against producing diseased cannas, and exporting them to other countries, so many commercial producers of cannas continue to do it.

          ...

          Therefore it should be assumed that cannas purchased as rhizomes from hardware stores and garden centres will be infected. In early 2011 we purchased 40 pre-packed canna rhizomes from hardware stores and garden centres. 38 were infected with virus disease (these included rhizomes purchased from all the big multiples, and even from the RHS Wisley Garden Shop). It is possible that the other 2 samples will develop the disease later.

          Also in 2011, visits to large garden centres and hardware stores to see growing canna plants showed that many plants being offered for sale were already infected."

          I'm quite astonished that diseased plants/tubers are allowed to be sold and that the commercial growers aren't the slightest bit worried about selling them :mad:

          If I'd realised at the time I'd have taken them back for a refund, it's a bit late now, but it's put me right off buying anything else from such places. Next year it will be Hart Canna for me.
           
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          I`m really start to think , that if it`s not safe to buy new plants , sure it not safe to grow new from seeds as sap sucking insects will still be around next year , they can may be infected and spreed again .
           
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          Sal, it's OK to buy from a good grower like Harts - just a bit more expensive initially. Just need to be vigilant now we know what to look for and ruthlessly zap any that show signs of the disease.
           
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          John during the years I`ve spent lots of money on rizhomas and seed and already binned 7 of my nice one and another 6 of my favourite will follow them .
          Yes Harts have nice cannas but really expencive to replace the one I`ve got I should spend around 60/70 pounds ......from now on I will only grow from seeds .
          I would replace cannas with other plants but no many alternative , flower wise .
           
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          Oh that's a shame to lose your nice collection Sal.
           
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            I think we all need to be aware that the source of a Canna virus is not just ordinary Plant Nurseries and shops. It's so easy to target them for the blame. Diseases to Cannas are past on by biting/sucking insects as well. I bought several Canna rhizomes from Harts last year, one being Yara.....and that's one I suspect of having the virus. If we believe Harts claim that they sell only virus free plants and rhizomes then the plant has been infected by insects blown in by the wind this year. What I'm saying is that no matter how safe we believe the source to be when buying a Canna the plant is still open to getting the virus while out in the garden in circumstances we can't control. So when buying Cannas we know we're going to take losses what ever we do.:mad:
             
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              Armandii I didn`t want to mantion that , but when i was saying I bought mine for a reliable seller I was just meaning that , there was a sale last year and bought some out them , it was to good to be true that a plant sold at £20 , I got the rizhoma from £3 and a paper say that the rizhoma was virus free and no gurantee could have been given.

              So if the reason is the flying insect we should stop growing cannas unless , we just like to trough out money .
              or get some cheap seeds and start all again , we lose then is not as bad as losing a £20 plant.

              I was reading everywhere , do not buy ryzhoma but I`m pay for my greediness , £3 instead of £20 for a plant .
              Learn Sal , learn Sal , learn Sal ,learn Sal :doh:
               
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                From all I have read about the Dutch growers not being bothered about supplying infected plants to the Sheds I think its a fair cop ...

                But as you say, if your neighbour buys an infected plant then the Aphids will be brings his virus over the fence into your garden ... :(
                 
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