Cincinnati gorilla shooting

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  1. nFrost

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    Agreed, if that was my lad in there I'd be screaming for someone to shoot the gorilla. I know that sounds awful, but my son is more important than anything.
     
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    • pete

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      So you look after him in these kinds of situation.:smile:
      You dont let him climb fences designed to keep people safe.
      DO you?
       
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        It is so, so easy to judge. I challenge anyone to raise a kid as far as climbing age, without ever once finding themselves in a situation where the kid has managed to do something that you'd really want to prevent them doing.

        Who can tell me that their toddler never once managed to get half way up the stairs before you realised? Or who can tell me that they never had to fish anything gross out of their kid's mouth because they caught them before the offending item even made it to their mouth?
         
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          Well of course I'd look after him but if I'm distracted for as little as a few seconds he could throw himself in front of a bus couldn't he? That's just life sometimes, you can't get it right 100% of the time.
           
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            Im sure the zoo will just buy another endangered gorilla and pretend theyre saving it from those nasty Africans that want to shoot it,oh wait.......................................................

            Buy another gorilla,stick it in a cage to "save" it,charge people to gawp at it,buy the gorilla toys and t shirts . $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
             
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              Could've been a rescue gorilla?
               
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              obviously, looking at this footage, if the same would have happened to me as a mother, I would have fainted on the spot.
               
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                I found the footage very difficult to watch. I only made it to 2 minutes before I had to stop.

                But what I saw made me think it's just a tragic situation. No malice or negligence was apparent in what I saw.

                The gorilla appeared to be shielding the kid, unsure what to do but instinctively knowing to do something to protect the kid. They're cornered. Surrounded by lots of people understandably but unhelpfully making lots of noise. Gorilla appears to decide that the risk will be reduced if he gets himself and the kid out of the corner. So he bolts, dragging kid through the water. That looks terrifying for everyone, not least the kid, but if you perceive a threat to the kid you are trying to protect, you don't delay with niceties. You extract the kid from the perceived threat by the fastest means possible. Example. I remember once stumbling off a curb onto a busy road. My arm was practically ripped out of its socket as I was brutally removed from that perceived threat. It is clear that there was no malice at this point because gorilla gently stood the kid up and appeared to comfort him at this point. Trouble is, all the surrounding monkeys (people) were now making even more noise. Time to bolt, once again extracting the kid from the perceived threat the fastest way possible.
                 
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                  My sons a climber but jeez, why does this stuff keep happening?
                  Can see all sides... I'd want to jump in but like clueless said were another type of monkey so I'd let the zoo keeper do what he thinks is best.. (whilst having the biggest sh!t fit of my life)
                  However my son wouldn't be in an enclosure.. yes he manages to run up the stairs before I can catch him and go down the "hill" in his little tykes car before crashing into a wall but I'm positive, in a open public place he would be right at my side but I think that's down to parenting. Not only that who lets a 3/4 year old loose?! (apart from my neighbours, who need their own enclosure).

                  Which brings me to.. why wasn't the Gorilla ENCLOSED? there must be some sort of gaps around.. so it's the mother's fault for negligence and the zoo's fault for not providing safe and secure pens. Meh!

                  and lastly.. why doesn't anyone use reins on their kids anymore?
                   
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                    If he had wanted to kill the kid he could have done it very easily, he even seemed to be keeping his head out of the water.
                    I'm thinking the Zoo shot the gorilla to avoid any come back that might result should the kid get injured.
                    We dont actually know how they treat the gorillas there, and how much human contact they have?

                    I remember once watching John Aspinall putting his grandchild in with gorillas at one of his parks, he trusted them that much.
                    Just found this
                    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...up-with-gorillas-and-her-mission-9790656.html
                     
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                      "There’s even a YouTube video of her aged 18 months frolicking in straw and being thrown about by a 300lb male. “Dad got into trouble with social services for that,” she chuckles."

                      haha, she's a lucky girl.. interesting read @pete :blue thumb:
                       
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                        Analysing it afterwards that is one possible scenario, but on the spur of the moment I'd do anything to protect my family without considering the consequences. Ignoring the probability of breaking both legs jumping that height there is a good chance that gorilla is used to human contact so provided you didn't act aggressively the gorilla might just walk away.

                        Another scenario is that once one person goes in others from the onlooking crowd might also help - I would help another Dad in that situation without a seconds thought.
                         
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                        • Anthony Rogers

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                          I know this is going off on a tangent here, but, it still involves parents and their children.

                          Has anyone heard about the Japanese couple who left their 7 year old lad on the side of the road next to a large wood inhabited by wild Brown Bears ( for just throwing stones ! ).

                          A search was instigated that lasted 7 days and eventually they found him in an old army hut. He'd found drinking water but hadn't had anything to eat and had been sleeping between two old mattresses because it was so cold.

                          Anyways, they let him out of hospital yesterday and what happens..... They immediately give him back to his parents with no questions asked. Their is absolute uproar in Japan now over this. This child should have been placed somewhere safe while ( at least ) an investigation takes place.
                           
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                            Anthony I read about that story yesterday, absolutely appalling. The father thanked and apologised to authorities first before mentioning his son's well being.
                            What other punishment has this child been through before they finally snapped and thought fk it I'll leave you here for the bears lunch?!
                             
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                              HI Linz,

                              Yeah that was my thought as well, it makes you wonder what they'll do to him now now that he's back home.
                               
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