COMPOST REVIEW 2013

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  1. nFrost

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    Tried a few composts in my first year of proper gardening this year.

    Got some cheapo stuff from Poundstretcher, lots of hard twigs (longest was about 20cm) and bits of plastic like the line off a strimmer or bits of crisp packets.

    Then got some cheapo Wilko's stuff, pretty rubbish as it held no moisture and looked pretty woody/strawy.

    Finally thought sod it and bought some Erin Excel MPC for £3.99 with reduced peat, looks much better and it holding moisture VERY well. Have only found two bits of root in the bag so far. (Bought from a GC in Cott if you're reading Loli)

    I've decided to not go cheap went it comes to compost now, I think it might have contributed to my poor germination rates. Certainly didn't help!
     
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    I seriously wonder if I should make my own next year. Just add some Sand to my compost heap (assuming that I will get the proportions reasonably right, something along the lines of JI #1). I've used compost-heap for all potting-up of Dahlias and Cannas this season (with no added sand or anything else) and that was fine - and saved a bob or two.

    I saw a comparison of different composts (can't remember where/when, it was probably something like Beechgrove on BBC Scotland) and there was a staggering difference in plant sizes between Best / Worst performers ... worth having a go at getting it right.

    If *Dim* was here he'd be telling us to use Bat Guano, Worm Cast compost and the like ... he may well be right :) but I'm not that keen on the cost given that I chug through between 3 and 4 tonnes of the stuff a year ...
     
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      3 or 4 years ago (I haven't gardened properly for a few years due to illness) hubby completely emptied and bagged up my two bins. He put it all in builders bags - semi-opaque - stacked and covered with a tarpaulin. They have stayed there all this time - and when I looked at them they were green - upset I said the bags were letting the light in and the weeds had grown. How wrong was I ? It was the bags green not the compost. He used a couple of bags to fill the holes in the greenhouse bases this year and it is beautiful stuff - have mixed some with my purchased stuff to pot up the larger plants - only problem now he won't let me have any more as he wants to repair the lawn with it in the Autumn. :sad:

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        The cheek of some people using all your compost lol

        I'm guessing that seeds germinated, got suffocated and rotted into the pile with all the trapped moisture. Superb!
         
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          I've found out the name of that compost I mentioned earlier - it's brand name is Growise
           
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            Well, I used the 600 litres of B&Q General Purpose Peat added Compost and found it to be very good. It was a nice dark brown colour, smelt "rich", was nice and crumbly with very little lumps or twigs in it.......not bad at all. I've got to get another 600 litres this weekend for planting large pots and renewing the compost in others.
            I started off this Thread with a complaint about the B&Q General Purpose Peat Free Compost and to be technical about it it was 'orrible!! :gaah: So I will stick with using Peat added compost until they come forward with a viable working Peat Free Compost.:snork:
             
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              Hello chums:)

              I was wondering, what exactly is the problem with compost that has a load of twiggy bits in it? I can understand that for seed sowing it's not ideal, but for potting purposes? Is it that it doesn't hold nutrient?
               
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              Good question Freddy :blue thumb: I was thinking the same . We add sharp sand or perlite to MPC too make it more open. Do sticks and the other lumpy bits in compost not do the same :scratch:
               
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              Some of the suppliers are saying that the 'bits' (a lot of them seem to be wood fibre chips) improve water holding qualities without detracting from the the efficacy of the growing medium. (Sorry! I swallowed a dictionary! :))

              With the stuff I bought I found that it did seem to hold more water but it also seemed to dry up much quicker. In the past 'Multi-purpose' seemed to be just that - we could use it for anything, including sowing seeds. Now, it's not suitable for sowing seeds and not suitable for potting on small seedlings (the 'bits' get in the way).

              For filling large pots it's OK, although it doesn't look as attractive as nice dark compost, but I'm not happy with having to increase watering.
               
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              After the Wickes debacle of last year (such a shame as that used to be the best MPC on the market) I've tried allsorts since. For general potting up I'm happy with Asda's 'professional' MPC at 3 bags for £10, it is slightly fibrous with soft grassy material but there are no twigs or anything and when mixed with vermiculite/perlite it makes a nice mix, well one that I'm happy with and getting good results.

              In the garden for planting and mulching or general soil improvement I use my own compost out of my compost bins.

              For more seed sowing this year I've used Westland's John Innes seed compost and can't fault it, excellent germination rates and healthy seedlings. I then transplant seedlings to Westland's John Innes Young Plant compost which is an excellent soft and fluffy compost giving the seedlings a great transition before going into the general MPC mix :dbgrtmb:
               
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                I have a theory! The old grey matter was ticking over whilst I was potting on some of my tomatoes today into there final buckets. :)

                Yes, many of us have complained this year that plants are at least four weeks behind, but I don't think it's just the weather. Having tipped the tomatoes out of their interim pots (which I don't normally use) I noticed there was next to no root growth although the plants look healthy. Right, the theory is that B&Q's Verve (peat) multi purpose is to blame. We all know that compost has not been good and I'm wondering whether there's almost a total lack of nutrients in what we have been using. The lack of root and top growth suggests this is the issue. It's not only with my tomatoes but right across the spectrum of plants that I've grown.

                What do other members think, not only with Verve but other brands as well?
                 
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                You might be onto something Sheal, sadly I won't be much use to you in forming an overall picture as I have used three or four different types of compost.

                I potted on some chillies today that had formed good roots in the lower third of their wee pots, but much less in the upper two thirds - whether that was compost related or not, I don't know.

                On the other hand, I have potted on a few tomatoes that have cracking root systems on them - however, that might be due to me coiling the stems round into the pots when potting on the first time round, as I deliberately did so to have them planted as deep as I could (at least two thirds of the plant under the compost) - rightly or wrongly, it seems to be paying off for me so far.

                Another factor I have to add in is the fact that I started sowing stuff at least four weeks later this year than I did last year - - by this time last year, I had six large cucumber plants at the back of my living room with fruits beginning to form; this year, I have six of the same variety in the greenhouse, and they are barely more than three or four leaves of a plant.
                 
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                  My opinion is that to be able to "rate" one compost against another you need to grow several plants, in each type of compost, side-by-side ... its a bit hard to get any "data" that is comparable otherwise.

                  I have been adding Perlite to the MPC that I use for several years now ... probably since the Reduced Peat thing started ... but I have not idea if the two are linked, or whether I just tried it a few years back and decided that it worked better for me
                   
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                    Few problems with it - as mentioned it wets well buts drains too fast leading to more frequent watering and therefore nutrient loss. It also means that there are more air pockets which can cause lack of root growth unless compressed (which is undesirable due to fragile roots); similarly the pockets are fantastic mould breeding areas leading to more rot.

                    In short, and despite what these company 'experts' say it is not good.
                     
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                    Last year I was in contact with Homebase regarding their compost (which was exactly the same as the Wickes ones I bought) - Afterwards I did contact them with an email comparing their compost with the Verve B & Q (although I planted the verve later - but the difference was clear - in the event even the Verve did badly with the weather to be fair) Here are the two photos:

                    First one Homebase which had Garden Pearl - 5 plants in a 15 litre bucket
                    Homebase tomatoes.jpg

                    And B & Q - which might have had more than 5 as by the time I planted I was desperate and panicking - but the root systems on the B & Q were much better than the Homebase
                    B & Q tomatoes.jpg

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