Contactless Card Fraud

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    Bet you say that to all the boys :heehee:
     
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      And if you are good with money and know at all times what should be in there. No good if like me, you have direct debits and standing orders, and you routinely let your other half use the card for grocery shopping. I know roughly how much I should have at various points in a month, but if some took a few quid out, I wouldn't realise.
       
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      If they had a machine that clones cards, all of them :yikes:
       
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      They could use it as often as they liked until you noticed it was missing and reported it. What actually happens is that they already know what they want to buy and make a very quick tour of all the local shops before it's found out. So they tend to use it for just an hour before dumping it.

      If your card has been scanned by a cloning machine it can be a lot worse. The clever ones will follow you around and wait until you've finished your shopping and get home. Then they have plenty of time to use the cloned card as you don't report it missing (because it isn't). The first thing they usually do is get £30 of petrol (making sure their number plates are dirty), then it's a shopping spree and, later on, some more petrol. If they're clever, they have their own spree and then sell the cloned card on.
       
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        You're very .... *knowledgeable* ... about all this Mr Shy Knee ;) ;) :whistle:
         
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          Mr shy knee is very knowledgeable about everything. He is the Oracle.
           
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            I get to see some of these things from a number of different aspects. I meet with businesses all the time, I'm involved in consumer protection (not directly related to the last statement), I occasionally meet with law enforcement and have some peripheral contact with some of the more nefarious characters of life.

            Apart from that - it's all guesswork. :snork:
             
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              @"M" , possibly a criminal mastermind or a Fagin type running a team of urchins :biggrin:
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                E do mention a cat a lot :snork:
                 
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                  I am reviewing the situation! :th scifD36:
                   
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                    Did you know that Urchin is derived from old French for Hedgehog :spinning:
                     
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                        I'm no Luddite but it does seem sometimes that some technological ideas thought up to make things "easier and simpler" only bring more problems and security risks.

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                          It's true. It's because contrary to popular belief, it is neither the consumer nor the techy that pushes innovation. It is the often ignorant bean counter.

                          I can imagine the meeting to come up with contactless payments:

                          Business person A represents retailers and other businesses that take a lot of fairly small card payments.

                          Business man B represents the card industry.

                          Techy represents the engineers and programmers that can make it happen.

                          Business person A: Once people have finished with us, we want rid of them ASAP. Then we won't need as many staff. Also we'll get more customers if the queues are shorter. Can it be done?
                          B: Yes. I don't know how. Techy will know.

                          Techy: Well you could get more staff, or devise a way to manage customer activity better.

                          A and B. Too expensive. No. What if we scrap the whole chip and pin and just have the machines magically know how to deduct money from the customers?

                          Techy: Yes, but that's stupid. What about all the security implications? Chip and pin was introduced to prevent fraud. Now you're asking me to completely bypass it and effectively leave the front door unlocked and wide open with a neon sign over it saying 'rob me'.

                          Business person A: Did you understand that?

                          B: I heard him say yes. I stopped listening after that.
                           
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