Corona Virus Treatment

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      In the U.S. (according to their national statistics) there is no law that says employees must be paid when they are off work - even for holidays. So a quarter of the working population don't take holidays - even when they do get given holiday time off. If you don't take holiday time off, you lose it! Over 50% of workers never use all their holiday allowance! :rolleyespink:

      This is a problem over here for small businesses and for the self employed.

      If you're self-employed and don't work then you have no money coming in.

      If you're an employer and have to pay staff when they're not producing income then your business can go to the wall and all your employees will be out of work.

      Currently employees in the UK are paid for 11%-12% of the year whilst not working. This is calculated on 28 days Statutory holidays plus 4 days sick (office of national statistics). So an employer needs to calculate that an average week of pay for an employee's work actually costs over 10% more than it shows on the pay packet (do they still have pay packets? :scratch:).

      A lot of small businesses fail to take this into account when setting up and end up going bust. :sad:

      So, if you add another two weeks self-isolation there can be disastrous effects on employment.

      Add to that the major drop in business in some sectors (tourism in particular) then you have an even bigger burden.
       
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        This whole thing is still being blown way out of perspective. So far, we have just short of 120 people in the country confirmed as having the virus, and one has died. Whilst very sad for the family of the lady that has passed away, it has been stated clearly that she had underlying health problems and had been in and out of hospital before catching the virus.

        How many people die from the flu each year? 2017/2018 winter saw nearly 30,000 die here in the UK due to flu or related to flu.

        Coronavirus cannot survive above 59ºc (138º Armandii or fahrenheit as it is sometimes known :heehee:), so good old hot water with soap should help immensely; UV kills it too, so now that the sun is getting going, that will help too. The rest seems to be down to normal hygiene and luck.

        On the point of temperature - is our current push to use less energy and so on part of the problem here? Washing machines run at cooler and cooler temperatures, so those towels, blankets and clothes are often washed at 30º or even 20º; dishwashers now default to a 40º 'Eco' program when you switch them on, and you have to manually choose a higher temperature.

        There was a case (I believe Germany) years ago where there was a hospital that had an outbreak of some virus or other on a grand scale,and it was traced back to the washing machines where the bacteria and viruses were thriving in the damp and not too warm environment.
         
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          We have our washing machine set to wash at 40 degrees. That's a compromise between efficiency and caution. The efficiency part is that it's the quickest wash and has the fastest spin speed, and we don't have any dirty clothes. The caution is that under 40 degrees the machines can clog up easier with any grease/body oils etc.

          The dishwasher is set at 50 degrees. :noidea:
           
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            You can of course change the temperatures, but how many people do? Our dishwasher always comes on in Eco mode each time by default, no way to stop it doing so
             
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                Mark Carney:

                "Our policy arsenal includes monetary policy instruments, special liquidity facilities, and macroprudential tools. We are coordinating with HM Treasury to ensure that any initiatives are complementary and that they will collectively have maximum impact, consistent with our independent responsibilities."


                No mention of hand sanitiser, paracetamol or bog rolls.
                 
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                  Which is odd as that sounds like verbal diarrhoea!
                   
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                    Which it is. So don't get near him otherwise you may catch it!
                     
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                      I suppose I'm lucky then, £90 a week SSP when off sick, the other alternative is to use my annual holiday allowance, as the company is small paying that for no work is a struggle.

                      I know a fair few self employed people.
                      Am I right in thinking if they pay the full stamp they might also be able to claim something, trouble is most dont, and then complain about pensions etc.

                      I've heard stories of people who work for companies who pay full wages when off sick, how they manage to do that is beyond me.
                       
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                        Grrraahhh... at work I have just spent another (very long) day drawing up business continuity plans for all possible situations. Whilst our team can happily just work from home, we have a lot of vendors and partners who handle physical items, and if they have to close the office, we need a plan.

                        Simple as that. If a physical item is delivered to a facility that is closed, we have a problem. If an item needs to be taken from a facility that is closed, we have a problem.

                        This is the difference with this virus, it can immobilise supply chains, weather small scale or big. Lorries can turn up on time but if the gates of a distribution centre are closed, the drivers will just have an extended break. Hopefully eating carrots and doing push ups rather than smoking and eating sausage rolls. :biggrin:

                        Personally I have taken precautions and bought extra Lemsip sachets, ibuprofen and tissues, and stocked up the wine cupboard. With a good stock of tinned, dried, long life and frozen foods plus the skills to cook them into meals we should be fine even in the event of a 2 week home lock up. Pinot Grigio is perfect with pea soup methinks. :whistle:
                         
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                          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                          I think the difference is the hysertia involved with this virus, if it was called Flu would you still be taking the same steps as you are with this one?
                          The virus is not really causing the problem,its the steps that everyone is expected to make in order to contain it that is causing the problem
                           
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                            And yet, currently at least, it is proving to be nowhere near as bad as flu.
                             
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                              It's the scale and the contagiousness I think. With Flu, most people have some kind of resistance to one or more of the influenza viruses so a new one will probably not hit everybody simultaneously, so everybody will not be ill at the same time.

                              This virus being a new one, no-one has any resistance nor immunity, so if the virus finds a target it will hit. This means that masses of people could be ill at the same time, which would immobilise the society. The important piece is "at the same time".

                              Say that 30% of the population is off sick at the same time. That's 30% of bus drivers, supermarket staff, nurses, doctors, teachers... that's a major disruption. If a school is closed we struggle to get parents of young children back to work.

                              To me, it's not about the mortality rate, nor the severeness of the disease, it's about the level of disruption it is causing, and will cause to society.

                              Bluntly. A killer disease that spreads slowly will not disrupt things that much (think of AIDS), a mild disease that spreads immediately and infects everybody enough to not be able to work, will disrupt the society profoundly, and quickly.
                               
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