Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. Upsydaisy

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    Yes Asda slots are no problem I've been getting them for my brother and for us. As @HarryS said they put up a new day's worth ( 2 weeks ahead of booking date) at 10pm every night. If you go on to their site at 10 you normally find you can't get on ,due to them updating it but by 5-10 past 10 you can and although some slots may be gone I have never not been able to secure one....or even two if I'm doing my brother's too.:dbgrtmb:
     
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        I have been proof reading recent comments and despite the possible affects of one, two three or more tipples. I think I get the gist of it.

        1. Inviting former staff back to work. Highlighting the FACT that this is an emergency. The world has been struck by a virus never before experienced. Yes we have gone through perhaps similar, but this is a killer from the start.

        So sorry to perhaps dwell in the past, but the past is that part of our learning and history that we remember. So asking retired medic to lend a hand. This is obvious. I so often relate my police experiences. So the sudden need for police reinforcements. Ask the oldies to help. At least they are trained and experienced. Likewise here and now, retired medics have been trained. Experience counts.

        2 Post mortems. It is law in this country that anyone who dies within twelve months of having had hospital treatment, must undrgo an autopsy. Now in the case of this pandemic. Scenario. Old granny whatshername 98 yrs old and in a care home. She's loaded and the family are getting impatient. So she passes away. Must be covid-19

        Could have been a few pilss administered by family.

        Closer to home for me. My Valerie, spent some ten hours on the table for open heart surgery. The surgeons never even closed her chest. She never regained conscienous. The autopsy is carried out to prove any negligence medically
         
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          Although I'm not sure that Lord Sugar posted this comment I do tend to agree. The government need to be called to account in order to see where they may have gone wrong and what can be done in the future - but now is not the time to nitpick!

          I'm assuming the first paragraph is grouping those members of the Press for the same reasons although I don't listen/watch all of them. The most disappointing one that I do listen to is James O'Brien. I have been listening to him for many years and think he has a very good mind and an excellent way of putting points over but for the last few years he has been so negative and unnecessarily scathing in his comments that I have now stopped listening to him. He is such a skilled and knowledgeable speaker that there is no need for him to be so continually rude and nasty - even when I agree with his points. Shame on you, James!
           
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            Even if I do have access here to British news channels, I can never know as much about the situation as those that actually live in the UK. So, from the outside looking in...

            I do agree with your post, @shiney When all of this is over, the government do need to be called to account. As stated though, this is not the time to do it.

            As time passes, I find myself wanting to know the answers to more and more questions. I'll take just a couple as examples. Yesterday, I saw reports that UK deaths had exceeded those in Italy. The figure given was 32 000. Yet on Sky News, the same figure was given as just over 20 000. I cant remember the exact number. Does this mean that figures are being hidden for some reason?

            There were reports that foreign powers have been attempting to hack computers to find out information about research into Covid vaccines. As this is a world epidemic, should it not be so that all information is shared? Or is it just so that drug companies, governments and other bodies are simply refusing to share information due to possible economic or political gains. Are they putting such things above human life?
             
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              @Sandy Ground Apparently the current total of deaths is 29,427. Trying to compare numbers between countries is futile as they are recorded totally differently in each country. Our total now includes deaths in care homes and in the community. That's why the numbers shot up enormously when they added those.

              The care homes deaths are very high and they now have started not only showing them but trying to differentiate between those without Covid and those with Covid. Last week the difference was exceptionally high. From memory:- total deaths in care homes last week was just under 8,000 and of those just under 3,000 were 'with Covid' (not 'from Covid').

              I thought an initiative had been started to share info on research.
               
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                Number recording is too varied to really make it a viable source for comparison calculations, one country includes all deaths in care establishments....regardless as to whether they were COVID related or not...I can't really see us ever getting the ' real picture'.:sad:
                 
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                  So did I @shiney but from the news reports, it appears not. Or could the reports be fake news or some kind of propaganda?

                  A little rhyme...

                  I'm gonna give up my citizenship, I'm gonna take it to the boss
                  Gonna throw it down on Johnsons table, and ask her how much it cost
                  Gonna burn up my Nurses uniform
                  Gonna walk the streets in the raw
                  I'm gonna declare war at the president's door
                  'cause that's what presidents are for
                   
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                    Fake News has been going for thousands of years. In various times it has been used to promote individual aggrandisement, political promotion, advertising and even done by mistake.

                    I still remember about the panic caused by Orson Welles advert for his programme on the radio about 'The War Of The Worlds' where people thought there was an actual invasion from space because it was put out just like a news report.
                     
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                      Bojo back in the PMQ's today :) Should be good to see Herr Starmer with coherent questions but, I expect, same old opposition rhetoric.
                      This whole pandemic isn't going to make me assess my voting tendency, I don't believe any party would have faired any better and especially while their leader was laid up for weeks with the virus.
                      Any 'calling to account', whatever that means, will be token gestures. Just opposition parties looking to score points and creating noise. There really isn't any accurate comparison possible between countries due to population densities, different statistical data gathering and is it fair to compare very broad patterns which everybody knows will look the same albeit with different dates and peaks.
                       
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                        Sorry Sheal I disagree with this, the govt needs to be held to account such as why the UK is now at the top of the death league in Europe. I am afraid it was down to 'them' not taking it seriously in the beginning. If no-one is asking pertinent questions then decisions being taken now will make things even worse.

                        I do agree that the stupid press questions after every briefing are pointless, quite often asking questions that have already been answered. And the constant press speculation about when lockdown will be eased is encouraging people to break the rules. But as always with the press the vast majority of people must lapping it up, if no-one did then advertising revenue would plunge and they would find something else to rattle on about, aren't we due some stories about Princess Di or Global warming ?
                         
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                          I agree that our number of deaths are something to question but comparing them is not really possible. Even taking into account the difference in populations and the difference in recording deaths there are too many factors involved that can be taken into account.

                          What is the age of the population? Average age is no criteria as it doesn't show the number of people in the older age group that are more likely to die of or with Covid. The different standards in health care, the different standards in the care of the elderly etc. I'm sure there are numerous factors to be taken into account when comparing and the news media appear not even be bothering to look into those differences.

                          Of course, the government could look into those differences but I'm not sure this is the right time to be putting such an effort into something that should be looked at later on.
                           
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                            The death figures being reported daily are hospital cases where a person dies with the coronavirus infection in their body - because it is a notifiable disease cases have to be reported.

                            But what the figures do not tell us is to what extent the virus is causing the death.

                            It could be the major cause, a contributory factor or simply present when they are dying of something else.:dunno:
                             
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                              It's not all down to the Government - people must accept a measure of personal responsibility.

                              IMHO many would have seen this coming - common sense would have sprung into action and put people on alert. It was then their own decision whether to carry on as normal or voluntarily enter lock down. I don't need a politician to tell me how best to protect myself or my family.

                              When Boris says it's OK to leave lock down - at that time I'll make my own decision as to whether I feel it's safe or not.
                               
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                                Good morning throughout my working career I was always my own safety officer ,that's why I was on voluntary lockdown 2 weeks before it was official;)
                                 
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