Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. Victoria

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    Thank you Jack. I do read the Source material on the countries I follow but have never seen where it stated how long it took for those unfortunate who have died so just questioning.
     
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      @Victoria the national radio station that I listen to regularly has experts (virologists, doctors, research scientists etc.) on there and they explain about the vastly varying incubation periods for Covid and how they distort the appearance of the results. Unfortunately they say that the virus can cause death in periods ranging from just five days to many months and the length of time a person has been suffering from it is rarely taken into account when presenting the raw statistics. :sad:
       
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        Well, I have got to be honest, I reckon it is all finished - no point shielding, no point staying home like a bleedin' leper; the events around the world yesterday, including in various places around this country and the violence that in many cases followed has utterly negated any benefits from being isolated.

        Between the damage to the economy from lockdown and now the damage to the economy from these protests, I reckon millions of us are going to be out of work and in many cases that will make them homeless too; the health of the nation is going to go to the dogs as a result (be it mental or physical) and there is definitely not going to be the resources to fix all of it. It genuinely appears that society is breaking down, and the way things are going, I'd rather not be around to see it.
         
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          The beeb are reporting that the virus is spreading again in the North West and South West - looks like easing lock down hasn't worked in these regions.

          Or more likely, people are ignoring the eased lockdown rules.

          We need a vaccine - that's the only was out as far as I can see - AstraZeneka have already started to mass produce the Cambridge vaccine - fingers crossed the trials are shown to be successful.
           
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            It's been breaking down for a long time cv has just made it worse
             
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              When I see reports in the media of tightly packed crowds at mass demos, I wonder if the participants think about the potential damage to people's health and livelyhoods they could be causing.

              I also wonder why they aren't protesting about this police brutality to black people.

               
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                I strongly disagree. We'll be just fine. Very likely not back to normal as we used to know it, but we will still have a country where babies are born, not starving to death, not dying to mundane diseases such as diarrhoea due to polluted water or smallpox. The basics will carry on, the kids will grow and study, and build their own new world.

                This is not the time to lose heart, or give up. We'll be ok.

                When I feel very down I try to find something to make me laugh. Today we made a "zero food waste" quiche, using leftover pizza dough from last week that had, in an optimistic way of putting it, turned into a sourdough. Topped with just slightly out of date ricotta and withered red peppers the idea was perfect. The taste was horrendous. :biggrin: After the first slice my Teenager suggested that we might want to give the garden birds more varied diet. A lot of giggles both in making and eating... and the laughing makes me feel so much better.

                Bring on next week, we are ok, and ready for it. Not overly happy, but we'll be just fine. :)
                 
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                  There are many other ways to make your feelings known - have a go at your local MP - force a petition to raise the issue for discussion/recognition in Parliament - donate to or join those organisations which fight against racism.

                  In the middle of a global pandemic - massive crowds - not the way to do it.
                   
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                    I ( like many others) have been in lockdown for almost three months, looking at the massive crowds it makes me wonder if I will be in lockdown for a further three months.

                    What the US Cop done was murder but spreading this deadly virus is not the way to go.

                    The UK Government should have banned these protests, I don't care about the Snowflakes who say freedom to protest, these are very worrying times and the UK Government should take special measures to stop all protests.

                    Sorry for the rant folks.
                     
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                      Professional protesters with those that follow, ........like sheep.
                      Sorry didn't mean to demean sheep.:smile:

                      Well its a day out,;) mostly leftist anti this anti that wierdos.
                      I was going to say long haired wierdos, but my hair is getting a bit long now.
                      Another couple of weeks and I wont need a face mask.:biggrin:
                       
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                        I am glad you have more optimism than I @Selleri, however I am finding the whole thing so very depressing to be honest.

                        As @john558 rightly says, what the police officer did in the US was murder and plainly wrong. I can even agree that there are, sadly, still instances where racism happens and that too is wholly unacceptable and must be challenged - - but to do the things they are doing now is utterly wrong. Criminal damage on a grand scale, violence and mass gatherings that are breaking lockdown rules and all combining together with the financial damage that has been done by the lockdown itself. There are going to be so many businesses that won't be able to continue for long, if at all, following all this nonsense. Taxation is going to go through the roof, and jobs are going to go down the pan - and if all of the idiots supporting this think that the welfare state wil take care of it all, then I reckon they are in for one hell of a shock.
                         
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                          Will someone please explain to me why Sweden went down the herd immunity route? No lockdown - business as usual.

                          Why is leaving the virus free to infect the population a 'good' or even viable idea. Surely, not getting infected and social distancing etc. is the way forward?
                           
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                              My understanding of it is that nobody really knew which way was best. I am deeply, deeply suspicious about the behaviour of the Chinese in all of this. As I see it, one of two things happened - either the Chinese didn't have a lot to go on but realised after their own encounter with the virus that it was practically unstoppable and decided to give as much information as they could to the rest of the world (unlikely), or that they knew for sure that it was unstoppable (because it was bio-engineered to be that way) and that it had escaped and was likely to go way out of control, so told the WHO and/or worldwide government leaders.

                              Countries then had a choice - a) lockdown and keep people away from it in the hope that it would mean the infections appear in a slower but longer stream that the health service could cope with, with the inevitable carnage caused to the economy that itself would have grave implications on heath and death reates or b) carry on as near to normal as possible accepting that virtually everyone is going to get it anyway, and no matter what you did there would be deaths from it, however this path would mean little or no economic damage.

                              Which was right? Who knows.
                               
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                                In terms of the Covid-19 - IMHO time is our friend - by this I mean we keep infection rates low over a long period of time in the hope that a vaccine or treatment can be developed and we don't flood our NHS with cases.

                                As far as I can see - the Swedish model doesn't give you that time - it takes the maximum hit in a short a time as possible.

                                Sweden - not somewhere I'd like to live - as the economy appears to have taken precedence over people.

                                Ecomonies can be re-built.
                                 
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