Corona Virus Treatment

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    Happy days. :biggrin:
     
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      Oxford have been at it again:

      In the trial, led by a team from Oxford University, about 2,000 hospital patients were given dexamethasone and compared with more than 4,000 who were not.

      For patients on ventilators, it cut the risk of death from 40% to 28%.

      For patients needing oxygen, it cut the risk of death from 25% to 20%.

      Chief investigator Prof Peter Horby said: "This is the only drug so far that has been shown to reduce mortality - and it reduces it significantly. It's a major breakthrough."
       
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        It doesn't actually sound startling though, does it.:smile:
         
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        I heard a statement from a doctor on TV this morning that most people who get the virus are asymptomatic, ie. dont show any signs of a problem:scratch:
        So why have we been led to believe it's pretty much a death sentence should you catch it? :scratch:
         
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          Reading the wrong News Rags or TV Channels that only produce sensational or negative news??:scratch::doh::dunno:
           
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            You mean the BBC?
             
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              Any of them, pete, they've all turned arrogant, looking for the negative and poo pooing anything positive. I don't remember any one in the Government saying.........


               
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                The actual projection is that the use of dexamethasone for people that have breathing difficulties/are on breathing apparatus will save one in eight lives. That's a significant positive result. It has no apparent good effect on those that don't have breathing difficulties.

                It's a steroid that was first produced in 1957 and we have plenty of stock of it - and it is cheap to produce. All hospitals have it in their pharmacy.

                They're hoping that other existing drugs that are being tested may be of help as well - but nothing showing yet.

                It's not a preventative but an assistance for lung problems.
                 
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                  Well the government do the daily briefing which is on the BBC and I'm yet to hear a particularly positive one especially early on.
                  At no point have they told us how many people have recovered from the virus.
                  It's all been about deaths and that is what puts over the impression it pretty much kills everyone.
                   
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                    We've put an embargo on exporting the drug - and from yesterday it's in the treatment regime for those who may benefit from it. At least we now have something that we know will save lives.

                    I've seen some comments in the media that if we had locked down earlier - we would have saved more lives - hindsight is wonderful isn't it?
                     
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                      There were plenty of people at that critical time saying it though, from all walks of life: not just the media but anyone with common sense. Many of us started lockdown earlier whilst Boris dithered. I don't blame the media for holding him to account, his mistakes cost lives.
                       
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                        Never thought about it that way round, I assume the number of people recovered is the total number tested positive minus deaths. There are some in hospital in critical care as well in between. Should be a pretty big number who have recovered. Would be good if the government actually stated recovery rates, you should get onto the briefings and ask that question @pete
                         
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                          I've thought all along it's part of the scare campaign, if we were told the whole truth the lockdown wouldn't have happened.
                          As it was lots of people haven't taken it to the letter pretty much carried on as normal.
                          They are, I believe, holding back information on anti bodies and not saying if they give you immunity.

                          I tend to think they are giving us lots of misinformation, basically propaganda most of the time.
                           
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                            So the fact that now they're telling you, and have been for weeks, that the death total has been coming down, and is now in double figures is giving you the impression that it pretty much kills everyone??? The population of the UK is around 67 million and while the official figures for fatalities are around 42,000 it's probably more like 60,000 due to the early ways of Doctors recording deaths. So how would you like the Government to give you the figures? Something like "Here's the figures for the population of the UK today, it's 66 million, 800 thousand, while yesterday it was 67 Million"? We're being given figures about the daily total of fatalities and, again, I can't remember anyone in the Government telling us "it pretty much kills everyone", but in fact they've been going the other way telling us to take precautions to keep fatalities down. We're still getting high infection rates just because some people are believing that Covid 19 won't affect them, getting it and then passing it on to families, friends and other people.
                            But I can remember it being compared to be "just like Flu" in this thread and therefore no more deadly. For those who still think the World is crying "Wolf" over the deadliness of this pandemic they should talk to those families who've lost loved ones.
                            I guess some people just interpret data in whatever manner they want no matter in what manner that data is given, and some people will always interpret it negatively because that's the way they think.:dunno:
                             
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                              Actually, on several occasions they have, pete, and they've also showed it on some of the charts during the briefs. But, if they were to give all the data on everything the brief would last several hours and you would have switched off the TV by then:dunno::heehee:
                               
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