Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    But will they be "safe".:biggrin:
     
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    I think they are trying hard to keep the Battle of Britain show on next week.

    I was thinking of The Duxford Air Festival and The Flying Legends shows
    which were both cancelled .

    Hopefully it will go ahead for you , and we can see some activity from our garden.✈️
     
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      Thanks @roders - I will be absolutely gutted if it doesn't go ahead. We were given the tickets to both as a gift, and the ones for may were knackered by it. I've never been to an air show, so was really looking forward to it and in fact we didn't go anywhere on the two weeks we were just off work as we thought we had this to look forward to and everywhere else would just be hassle at the moment. Worse still, I renewed my membership for a year as well on the strength of getting into this airshow, so if it doesn't go ahead.... well, gutted will be the word.

      Hopefully we both get to see some action :fingers crossed:

      Please pass on my regards to your good lady.
       
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        Depends on whether you tell them to go and play with the buses - as our parents did :whistle: :heehee:
         
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          https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/duxford-iwm-battle-britain-airshow-18911229
          Don’t give up yet FC.

          Uncertainty surrounds Battle of Britain airshow as new Covid rules announced
           
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          • SimonZ

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            Hopefully a vaccine will be ready before too many centuries have passed. Still early days on understanding covid-19 and how it thrives, but I believe all the evidence so far points to it being an autumn/winter loving virus, which does make you sort of suspect we got it the wrong way round - we could have gone easier on restrictions through spring and summer and be preparing for a lockdown in the colder months. But that's probably an idle thought that anyone who knows about viruses would easily take down.
             
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              I think people neglecting the rules is their own responsibility, it can't be blamed on anything done by Cummings or anybody else. If we choose to do something we should take responsibility and not hide behind the perceived wrongdoings of others. The police didn't charge him because he wasn't considered to have broken any laws. On the other hand the optics of the affair were terrible, and it will be looked back on as the moment in this whole crisis when the spirit of togetherness started falling apart. From almost that very moment on, a nastiness and "I'm alright Jack," attitude started to emerge.
               
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              My understanding is a little different - it is that they are introducing a bill they say will protect against the EU imposing an extreme interpretation of the terms of the deal which would result in food shortages and serious problems for Northern Ireland. Doing this would undercut the terms of the deal, and as such is claimed to represent a breach of international law. However, international law is not binding in the way domestic law is, its advisory and subject to interpretation, and policy makers do not risk criminal charges in being deemed to have broken it in the way one would for committing a murder or a robbery. In any case, there is surely an equal likelihood that the government's tough talking is just another manoeuvre designed to draw concessions out of Brussels (a deplorable tactic - my belief is that, especially given the seriousness of the covid crisis, the two sides should simply bury the hatchet now, strike a deal and move on) but one which they probably hope will result in a compromise solution, rather than a realization of any potential breach. This is wholly incomparable to someone choosing to ignore or break a law designed for public safety, whether or not we think the law is good or stupid. I'm deeply uneasy about the grassing up idea, though. That is deeply sinister. Have they actually encouraged people to do that, in as many words?
               
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                  Thanks for the message earlier @roders - to the credit of IWM, they did send an email out to that effect. I must confess there was quite a lot of blue air in my house when I read their email....

                  This is going to be quite devastating for them to be honest - not only will they have to refund yet another set of tickets to folk, but there are going to be those who either won't renew memberships, or like me who only renewed their membership to be able to attend the event, and that membership is now effectively useless.
                   
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                    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                    They need to come up with an ultimate aim, because they are not going to hold this together much longer without one.
                    People will follow rules as long as there is light at the end of the tunnel but at the moment they are showing us none, just more of the same.

                    A vaccine seems pie in the sky to me, at this moment in time.
                    Bear in mind they cant even come up with one that works for the common cold.

                    So an aim to all this is what is needed and fast.
                    By next spring, if nothing changes, there will be riots.
                     
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                      I reckon that is the economy totally shot now - there will be none of the usual socialising on the run up to Christmas (so no office parties or anything like that) which will hit the hospitality industry between the eyes; with families not being allowed large gatherings, folks won't be buying as much food (we have already decided this morning that we are not doing a turkey this year) so that will hit food and drink retail such as Tesco etc, and with all the uncertainty, I think a hell of a lot of folk will draw their horns well and truly in, with gifting being a lot less than normal (and presumably even postage being lower than normal); ripped right up the middle is a polite way of putting it.

                      Worse still, there are still a lot of dissenting voices (including some that are doctors etc) who are saying that the whole thing is a massive over-reaction at best.
                       
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                        I think this is true. At the onset of the crisis there was a clearly specified rationale with whys and wherefores set out, and by and large society got behind it, pulling together "for the common good." This is no longer the case, and without definite reasons and aims will be harder and harder to regain.
                         
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                          I wouldn't be so sure about that. Three and a half months is a fair time, all sorts could change between now and then, but even if it gets worse one thing I have learend is that almost nothing will stop people from drinking, or wanting to meet up in large groups to do so. Unless they forcible close the pubs, people will still go. My area is subject to increased restrictions at the moment, inlcuding in pubs, and every time I pass one I see that most are completely disregarding this.
                           
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                          • pete

                            pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                            If that is what's happening now, it will be more so in 3 months time.
                            Closing pubs will be the next step yet again.

                            Because none of the restrictions actually make sense, ie. you can go to work and mix with umpteen people but you cant meet more than 6 at home, its not going to be taken seriously by a good percentage of the population.
                             
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