Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. Jenny namaste

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    If an 89 year old with underlying health issues succumbs to C-19 how different is it to dying of pneumonia or heart failure? At that age ,with poor general health, it's normal,
    we are all on the list,
    Jenny
    Just enjoy every day we are given
     
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      My point was @ARMANDII that even younger people with no underlying health conditions are susceptible too.

      But yes I fully agree with your post.:dbgrtmb:
       
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      • ARMANDII

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        But, Jenny, I thought I had a contract with "Big G" that I would be immortal..........he doesn't welsh on contracts does he???:scratch::doh::dunno::hate-shocked:
         
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          I think this latest news is just a delayed/ belated response to not doing things earlier.

          As usual we have to do things differently
          ....maybe too late now.
           
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            What about the very healthy, willing and able retired Dr's and nurses in their early 70s...... so we can now count them out of being brought in to help the struggling NHS then as was first suggested??
             
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              To be honest, I'm getting "irritated" by the now many Politicians, Doctors, Scientists, and the Media
              telling us how they would have done it.:wallbanging::gaah:
              Viruses always get a head start as they can infect populations to a great degree without going on the Media and saying "I'm here!!". So, we'll always be behind by at least months before it is noticed in the first country and and then notified to other countries.
              I would rather not contemplate whether or not we, in the UK, could have done it better and get on with taking notice of the advice given and recognise that the virus is now here and we have to take realistic steps to deal with it. Anyone who thinks that we can take control of the virus, stop it in it's tracks or cut down the mortality rate to a low double digit rate are, at best, misguided. This virus is, effectively, in control and without reasonable, considered, timely decisions being taken as they are now it would decimate populations to a far greater degree.
              One thing that has come to mind, is that we have a Government that has such a large working majority in Parliament that it can pass emergency legislation without opposition. If we had been in the same political situation of mental morass as we were before the General Election, then any emergency legislation would have been opposed, on purely political grounds, by Labour, Lib Dems, and other parties still locked in to the blindness of their own political beliefs.:dunno::wallbanging::cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
               
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                "Over-65s account for almost half of UK housing wealth"


                If a significant percentage of those were to die from Coronvirus there would be a glut of housing, a property price crash, massive negative equity, a construction slump, losses by banks and building societies, etc.
                 
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                  My Doctor, now in his 70's, has now just retired and I know that he will be back to help where ever he can. The Blood Nurse at my Surgery also retired at the same time and my information is that she is now helping out at the local Hospital. But, it's a personal choice and I think that's how it should be.
                  People tend to forget that Doctors and Nurses are human and that they suffer from the same ailments that we do, get older and frailer like we do, have various personal families pressures like we do. But is it right that we should be asking Doctors and Nurses, in their 70's, who are in the "at risk" category to expose themselves to the virus by being in close contact to those who do have Covid 19?
                   
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                    For example today it's been stated that ' plans are underway to buy up more hospital beds....car manufacturers are to be asked to start making ventilators. This should have been of paramount importance and have been set up weeks ago!!
                    We have ...if you can call it so...been in a fortunate position unlike many countries to have been gifted more time to prepare, with the added bonus of seeing the strategies put in place by these countries.....things should be up and running now.
                     
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                      I'm just going a head as normal, if I get it, I get it, shopping as normal and when out pay some bills buy of few things etc that we need then other time is around the house or going for walks, haven't had a vister for over six months :) no family no friends, happy :):):):):)
                       
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                        If only, Upsdaisy!! Not one, not one, country in this fragile, beautiful and dangerous world has been even one step ahead or even level with the recognition of just how contagious and dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying health problems this virus could be. The USA is so far behind it's in a dangerous position, with a President who, in the early stages of the spreading of the virus into other countries, called it a Hoax:wallbanging::doh:

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                          That's good enough for me, Jiffy:thumbsup:
                           
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                            ;)I am just going with the flow:heehee:

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                              They're trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted :pathd:


                              Nowt new there
                               
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                                We have a couple of Dr friends who have retired and are perfectly healthy....marathon runners and one cycled around the UKs coastline for charity last year, same age as hubs very eary 70s...why not help out?? Are they going to be stopped from helping because they will now have to self isolate?? We could actually been losing out from a very valuable
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                                @ARMANDII ...I'm sorry as I seem to not be putting my views across clearly to you. I never said we could beat it or be many steps ahead...but I still stand by my option that we had been fortunate enough to be given a bit of a head start in making preparations which seemingly wasn't taken full advantage of.
                                 
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