Corona Virus Treatment

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    You know, there's talk about people choosing not to be vaccinated. We can't be in a position where people are forced to take the vaccine - it must be for each person to decide. Just as each person can decide if they want to take a stroll down the M1. We'll keep complying with the rules until we have been jabbed.
     
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      Does anyone know where this so called Oxford/Astra Zenica vaccine is made?

      Just wondering if their manufacturing is done in Mainland Europe.
       
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          China ?
           
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            Well I was thinking that it might be Europe as most of our manufacturing has been moved out of this country to cheaper places.
            Bearing in mind Brexit I was thinking things could get awkward.
             
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              According to Oxford University and Astra Zenica they're making it at cost price, in the UK, and can supply 50 Billion doses in by the end of this year/early next year. They've also got a global agreement to pass the Technical data to 20 different countries globally so that they too can manufacture the vaccine at the same cost price. No countries will be allowed to sell the vaccine at above cost price for profit.
              There's also two regimes of injecting the vaccine, one where two fulldoses are given within approximately a month and another, still experimental method, where they've had initial data to show that giving only half a dose on the first injection and then a full dose on the second injection appears to show a higher efficacy of well over 90%. The first method shows a average efficacy of 70% so the second method, if proved, will be better as well as providing more vaccine to go around because it's using less.:cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
               
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                Somethings that have annoyed me from the outset of this pandemic. So many people don't appear to have realised the seriousness of it. For everyone it has been very much, learn as you go. Governments have come up with such things as, lockdowns. So many times many members of the public, moan and groan that they are being deprived of their liberty and freedom. This has given way to so many doing their own thing and as we suspect, adding to the spread of the virus. It is always someone else' fault that lives are lost. We are all aware of the impact this pandemic and attempts to keep the nation safe. We probably all can add a comment to the lockdowns. Me. I believe that such lockdowns should have been TOTAL. as far as possible.

                Now thankfully some promising vaccines have been made. Now many people are saying they will decline to have the jab. Hell's Bells. Life is so valuable and sweet. As an older person. Forget this, well you've had your day and all that. Our bodies are wonderfully made, and will fight to survive. Surely no one in their right mind should decline to grab this offer with both hands.
                 
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                  I had a swab test this morning. A courier called with a kit, I did the swab and off he went. Just had a text message on my mobile. Test was negative. So Off to hospital Wedesday, surgery Thursday and hopefully back home to my own bed Thursday night.


                  Knowing that I had this appointment for this morning. Sunday night, I set the alarm clock. Waste of time really, as under such pressure, I don't sleep sound, and as all I hear throughout the night is. Tick Tock, Tick Tock. So long before the alarm went off. I was up and about. Once the swab was done. Forty winks in the arm chair.

                  I really can't say enough in favour and gratitude for Guy's hospital London. In 2014 I was diagnosed at QE2 hospital Woolwich. The consultant, a great guy, an Aussie. He once took the trust to court, over unsatisfactory treat to one of his patients. Anyway, Daughter Amand contacted the department and queried the delay delay in my check-up. My file had gone walk about. The consultant really did hit the roof. An inquiry was set up and lots of apologies. I was then referred to Guys. Guys & St Thomas's are teaching hospitals. Trust me. If ever you need the best treatment. Plump for them. Honestly. I am a very placid chap, but when I hear any racism against others. I can become very angry. Anyway, checking the notches on my bed post. This is probably the 8th op. Stay Safe folks and enjoy your gardens.
                   
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                      Concerning vaccine production I read that the Oxford vaccine is currently being manufactured in italy. Initially they already had a suitable production lab space but were unable to scale up on a small site. can't find the report I read but sure it was BBC
                       
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                        I read there was 3.

                        1) 2 x Standard dose, 70 %

                        2) 2 x 'High' dose, 62% (?)

                        3) 1 low then 1 high, 90%
                         
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                          I also want to wish All the very best for Thursday to Mike Allen. :thumbsup:
                           
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                            Apparently, according a virologist from the project interviewed on the radio, the 'approx. 70%' is the average of the three tests. He intimated that the 'low/high' series was a newer version with fewer recordable test so far but was hopeful it would result in above 90%.

                            The interviewer didn't ask whether they had tried a quarter dose and a high dose - or anything similar.
                             
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                              I haven't seen anything yet about whether giving 2 different 90% vaccinations will provide 99% immunity.
                               
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                                It was mooted in the interview but the interviewee said that he hadn't heard of any being done. From what I understand (not a lot) they are completely different types of vaccines. :noidea:
                                 
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