Corona Virus Treatment

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    I haven't digested the rules for Tier 3 @HarryS - I thought it was advised not to travel out of a Tier 3 area, there must be exceptions.
     
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      It's not worth speculating Black Orchid - the scenario I suggested will never happen, I was just making a point that as soon as a vaccine becomes available people are looking for reasons why they shouldn't have it. I am generalising and not suggesting anyone on our forum would not use their common sense.

      I was thinking more of the fake news circulating on social media regarding measles jabs, that disease is gradually increasing because of gullible parents.
       
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        From what I understand (listening to a phone in on the radio with an 'expert'), people in T3 can travel to other areas if it's for work but they must be Covid secure.
         
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          Good morning these are the Tier 3 instructions for the Garden of England:smile:

          I just hope that the people of Kent can give the Local Authority a good reason to change Tier 3 to a lower Tier as they can choose to do:dunno::smile:

          Tier 3 remains very similar to lockdown with no socially meeting indoors or outdoors with anyone you do not live with.

          All bars, pubs, cafes and restaurants will remain closed but can operate as takeaways, click and collect, drive-through or delivery.

          All indoor entertainment venues will remain closed, as well as accommodation such as hotels and B&Bs.

          You should avoid travelling to any other part of the UK unless necessary.
           
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            What is "Covid secure"??:scratch::doh:
             
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              A term that has been invented to make people think that their workplaces are safe to go back into.

              Let's be honest about this - hospitals are one of the cleanest, most sterile environments going (or at least, they should be), yet an awful lot of people seem to contract Covid when they go to hospital and they are even keeping us away from hospitals and delaying treatments/surgery for that very reason. If a hospital is not Covid secure, how is any other workplace?

              We have a brand new office (I have a new desk and chair in a new building that I have not yet been able to see in person) which has perspex screens between the desks.... but it is only the monitors etc that are behind the perspex when you are sitting at the desk, so how does it offer any protection?

              If screens did work, how did so many London bus drivers die from Covid earlier in the year? they sit in cabs that are glorified goldfish bowls.
               
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                The HSE has said that being 'COVID-secure' means "businesses need to put in place workplace adjustments to manage the risk and protect workers and others from coronavirus". Businesses have been provided with five practical steps in order to do this::smile:

                We have carried out a COVID-19 risk assessment and shared the results with the people who work here We have cleaning, handwashing and hygiene procedures in line with guidance We have taken all reasonable steps to help people work safely from a COVID-19 Secure workplace or work from home We have taken all reasonable steps to maintain a 2m distance in the workplace Signed on behalf of employer Employer Date Employer representative signature Employer name Who to contact: Your Health and Safety Representative (or the Health and Safety Executive at www.hse.gov.uk or 0300 003 1647) We confirm we have complied with the government’s guidance on managing the risk of COVID-19 Staying COVID-19 Secure in 2020 FIVE STEPS TO SAFER WORKING TOGETHER Where people cannot keep 2m apart we have ensured at least a 1m distance and taken all the mitigating actions p
                 
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                  Thanks @wiseowl

                  I've been dealing, all through the last eight months with the meaning and delivery of 'Covid Secure'. It is the government's 'guidelines' of what places of work 'must' do to comply with making things safe for workers and others. They supposedly take into account distancing, ventilation disinfecting etc. We have had to do this Risk Assessment for our village hall and work out who can use the hall, tell them that they have to have a written Risk Assessment to comply with our one, how much space they must keep between people, what ventilation they must comply with, how they must clean things (door handles, work surfaces, chairs etc. before and after using the hall), toilets and washing facilities kept clean at all times (we've closed both Ladies and Men's toilets and they can only use the disabled toilet as that only allows one person in at a time) etc. etc. :phew:

                  Every time they change the guidelines, which is done frequently, we have to read through the 41 pages because they never highlight the changes :wallbanging: and rewrite everything.

                  We need to interpret and understand the guidelines and have to question things quite often. e.g. children can have dance classes as long as they are to assist schools or help with their health and exercise. These can either, only be done during school time with permission of the school or after school to assist with their education/health whilst their parents may be otherwise employed (after school activities) but not on a Saturday or Sunday unless they are children of key workers.

                  That's just part of it! :doh:
                   
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                    Trouble is such 'cleaning ' isn't always carried out as guidelines request. Did anyone notice on the news yesterday now the tables were being 'cleaned ' in the cafe/ restaurant?? They were going round wiping them but due to the lighting you could clearly see big areas on the tables that had been completely missed!!:yikes::yikes:

                    Makes you shudder to think what goes on out of public view!!
                     
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                      Thanks all for the replies.
                      We would like to go to our caravan to lock it up for winter. As we are working and in a covid secure area - i.e. no contact with anybody. Travel is not advised but allowed, I think I am OK with this now :blue thumb:
                       
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                        That sort of thing has been going on for decades - if you saw in the kitchens of many establishments, you wouldn't eat out or do takeaway.
                         
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                          I would suggest that is essential property maintenance ;)
                           
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                              Oh I know......that's why we don't.:dbgrtmb:
                               
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                                To be honest, I work in 3 different locations from week to week, I have to be tested every day and I also work in a security card protected area where, in the main, only up to 6 people occupy that area........but I've never heard or seen that term being used in actual practice:dunno:.
                                 
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