Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. ARMANDII

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    You will develop a thirst after the jab.:scratch::doh::heehee:
     
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    Lucky you !
     
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      When I have mine done I'm gonna ask if they can substitute the salty water with gin.;)
       
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        In the US they will probably add bleach.:yikes:
         
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          It'd would a waste to inject "Mother's Ruin":dunno:, pete, best taken in a glass after the Jab.:heehee:
          It's a Spirit I've never taken too, probably because the first, and last, I had tasted of perfume, but I understand there's different flavours now.:dunno:
           
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            All they've done is added Trump and politics...........so now they've got around 286,000 people who don't sit at the family breakfast table anymore, and the death rate is still climbing just out of pure stupidity.:doh::wallbanging:
             
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              Bit early in the morning for me, but I make the death rate in the US to be slightly less than the UK.
               
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                Morning @pete you always knew how to start the day off:heehee::heehee::heehee:
                 
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                  The problem is an interesting one.

                  From what I have heard from family in America they have underestimated the deaths from Covid there because local doctors can put the cause of death on the certificate if they were treating them. Some of them put down the cause as being what they treated them for. Whereas the M.E. (who does a large proportion of the certificates) tries to work out the cause. Hence it is thought to actually be somewhat higher.

                  Over here they do the opposite. They register the death as having 'died with Covid' if the person had a positive test in the last 28 days. That is thought to inflate the number as it doesn't take into account whether Covid was the cause. Unfortunately, it's not that simple! They don't add into the equation the people who have died because they were unable to get the necessary treatment for their non-Covid problem.

                  Conclusion:- you can't compare results from different countries but it is thought that the U.S. actual rate is much higher than ours. This problem extends to other EU countries as their method of recording is different in a lot of them.

                  Outside of the western countries the results are even more suspect. I'm not convinced that China has had only three deaths per million population - which is what they recorded.

                  Most of the countries in the world have a much lower testing rate per million than the UK (Germany has only tested half as many as us, per million). So we are bound to have more people in hospital 'with' Covid.

                  Of course, these are just statistics so you can make any conclusion you wish from them! That's what governments and fake news sites do all the time :noidea: :heehee:
                   
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                    I'm not sure how you work that out, pete:scratch:, unless you believe the UK has a COVID 19 death rate of nearly 300,000:dunno::hate-shocked:
                     
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                      I think @pete is referring to deaths per million population. In which case the published figures agree with him.

                      I just don't believe the published figures. :noidea:
                       
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                        Of course it's death as percentage of population.
                        I don't believe any of the Corona statistics , no country seems to have a clue when it comes to what you died of or with.

                        It's very easy to just write Corona virus on the death certificate.
                        Wondering how the death from pneumonia, flu etc. Are stacking up this year compared to normal. ;)
                         
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                          If you die of the flu will it be covid put on the death cert
                           
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                            I'd rather deal with the reality of actual deaths caused by Covid 19 than trying to find the negative by using comparative stats.:dunno:
                            Of course the published figures of any country are not that accurate, here in the UK we're probably out by around 15,000 to 20,000 due to the inability to identify the cause of deaths particularly in Care Homes, etc, while the USA is probably out around at least 60,000 to 120,000. The figures given out by Russia, the South American countries are completely worthless. India Covid deaths are completely unrecordable due to the lack of any form of reliable recording. So, yes, we all accept and know, I hope, that there is, and always will be, a margin of error in all the stats given out by this Government and all other Governments in the world, but does that inaccuracy really matter when it's only meant to give us a close as possible indication of the actual seriousness of the situation?.
                            What, I fail to understand is the constant "sackcloth and ashes" attempts to infer that the UK is doing so much worse than other countries in it's attempts to deal with this Pandemic in their desire to prove that everything in their Life is negative and,( in truth, I do not include any member of the GC Gang), that the NHS, the Doctors, Nurses, Carers, Ambulance staff, the officials recording deaths, and the other people who put their lives on the line every day are somehow deliberately in cahoots with a conspiratorial Government determined to lie and suppress the rights of the Public.
                            The diagnosis of the cause of death, in the UK, is not done by Politicians but by GP's and Hospital Doctors who it seems to be being inferred are "agents" of the Government or are either incompetent or unable to make a decision regarding cause of death despite their every day experience of the realities of Life. Are they correct every time?, no, of course not but that doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt to fudge the figures:wallbanging:. Look at the realities of what is happening around us and not the, inevitably, inaccurate stats of Death or stats of this and that, to somehow satisfy a need to look at everything in Life with a negative Dooms Day eye when waking up in the morning.

                            “Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friends”

                            ― John Lennon
                            and is a plaque that is on my desk every day and it actually helps me to look at it at some part of the day.
                            Part of my work every day is to deal with the analysis of legislation, stats, legal papers, their cause and effects in the present, short term and long term and I have to be, disbelieving, cynical, distrustful of everything put in front of me, and my middle name is not "Thomas" for nothing:doh: as I have to touch, taste, see something before I believe it's there, but I don't let those "values" grind me down to a desire to let a core of negativeness, conspiratorial belief, the grass is, (must), greener in the other field look on the negative side of this "Bowl of Cherries" Life.
                            Sure, let's question all facts, figures said. or in black and white, but let's not do it to prove the whole of Life is against us, or someone, some country must be doing it better than we are whether that's true or not, or that every rule, restriction is done with a conspiratorial agenda.
                            I think I need an amble in the garden, Winter or not, when I get Home.
                             
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                            Good afternoon no wonder my local hospital "The Medway Hospital" is nearly full up it caters for 425,000 people(Medway and Swale)and only has 29 wards which equals 588 beds:smile:
                             
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