Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Well it wasn't me who actually started to quote statistics.;)
    I only made the comparison as a way of putting 286,000 deaths, in the US, in context with the UK figures.:whistle:

    Apparently then, we cant trust these figures and are out by possibly 60,000 to 120,000???
    Sounds like a wild guess to me, so lets see the evidence?

    More fake news perhaps?:biggrin:
     
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      Annnddddd I'll tell ye sommat else ARMANDII,when I get the call I'll be there with mi flat cap and clogs,might even throw in a ferret for good measure.:biggrin::thumbsup:
       
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        I quite agree with that sentiment. :blue thumb:

        Not quite right. The politicians said that recorded deaths must state whether the person that died had received a positive Covid result within the last 28 days. The deaths then have that go down on the statistics that are published as 'with Covid' - although the death may have had nothing to do with Covid. I still haven't worked out why the politicians (spit! :heehee:) would pick a method that may artificially inflate Covid deaths.:scratch:

        I remain positive - but not Covid positive. :whistle: :heehee:
         
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          It gets even worse.

          She had a fall (due to a delay in organising carers), was taken into hospital and kept in for a couple of nights whilst the necessary care was put in place.

          But the hospital put a patient in her bay before getting their Covid-19 test results, and they consequently came back positive, so now she's back home with only 4 - 6 weeks to live and is having to isolate and not see her friends and family in her last days as she's rapidly deteriorating.

          No 3 cheers for the NHS from us.
           
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            That always reminds me of Geoffrey Hincliffe as George Fairchild in the TV comedy 'Brass'. I remember he said he was trained in flat cap wringing when standing in front of his boss, Mr Hardacre (Timothy West).

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              I think, to some people, shiney, it's a way of Life and a Religion.:dunno::heehee:
               
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              I'm not understanding this @ARMANDII are you trying to compare overall death totals between the UK and USA? The only way to compare countries with different sized populations is as @pete says, as a percentage of the population.
               
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                Wish they had that ratio here. We have a population of 560k in my region and the new 5 year old hospital has 457 beds. And a large portion of our population is elderly.
                 
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                  Oh @Scrungee ......that is utterly heartbreaking!! It's so unbelievable , she has been well and truly let down by the NHS and somebody must be held accountable for this huge blunder!:mad:

                  I have this vision in my head of this poor lady who has literally been left to die alone. Keeping her in my heart and thoughts.
                   
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                    I think, John, that was the very last thing I was saying.:doh::scratch::wallbanging::dunno:

                    I'm not worried about comparing this Country or that Country to prove this or that Country is doing better than another. I stating the actual figures of their registered COVID 19 DEATHS quoted by the American Media and those of the UK, nothing more, nothing less. What I was querying was the need/desire to always be negative in order to prove that the UK is always behind others in taking remedial action.
                    I've already pointed out that Covid 19 stats, in all Countries,are inaccurate for various reasons and therefore I would not try to compare those figures as they only result in another misleading figure that those who like to be negative use to their advantage. The UK total Covid 19 deaths figure is acknowledged to be inaccurate for various reasons but it is an indication of what we are experiencing but no more than that. The quoted Covid 19 deaths in the USA is now, according to the Media and White House, 286, 521 and that, of course is an inaccurate figure but at least it shows what they are experiencing, but I would not use either the UK figure or the USA figure to compare which Country is suffering less for either positive or negative agendas as they are inaccurate.
                    What I want to know is is our Country dealing with the Pandemic as well as it can, or is it racked by Politicians who deny that Covid 19 exists, where the Leadership don't mention Covid 19, denying the viability of masks, and go Golfing.
                    Statics can, and are, used to give any answer people desire that is why comparing like with like is questionable to say the least.
                     
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                    Some eye opening information about the various vaccines:

                    Pfizer has sold a minimum of 614 million doses to high-income countries and just a combined 14 million in bilateral deals with lower-income countries (Ecuador, Lebanon and Peru).

                    Moderna has been selling almost exclusively to rich countries.

                    AstraZeneca has sold 1.24 billion doses to developing countries. Both India (500 million doses) and Brazil (100 million) have secured their access to the vaccine, as have countries including Indonesia (100 million), Bangladesh (30 million), Egypt (30 million) and Argentina (22 million). 1.17 billion doses have been sold to rich countries (the U.S., EU, U.K., Japan, Australia and Canada). AstraZeneca will manufacture its vaccine in multiple countries, including India and Brazil, and aims to produce a total of 100 million to 200 million doses per month by the spring.

                    AstraZeneca is the vaccine that will turn the tide in our favour.
                     
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                    • pete

                      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                      Just suggests Trump has caused 286,000 deaths by stupidity, when the figure you state is actually no worse than the UK figure.
                       
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                        Tell that to the American families that have lost members of their families:dunno:. This is not about figures to bolster one's opinions, pete, but about personal loss not comparability:doh:
                         
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                        So is the personal loss to American families worse than the personal loss to UK families, Indian families, Italian families etc.
                        Just can't work out what point you were trying to make.

                        People are dying all over the world every day, but you point out American families.
                         
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                          Sorry I'm struggling to understand your train of thought. If you don't believe any statistics why mention that 286,521 figure? In fact why worry about anything if every country is under or over reporting?

                          Simple answer: No.

                          Well Boris caught the virus, are you asking if he denies it exists? Hardy worth asking in my opinion. He wears a mask now, I have seen him doing so. As for Golf, are you mixing Boris up with Trump?
                           
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