Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. clanless

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    Latest factoids from Wales:

    75% of the people in the country have had two jabs;
    90% of the people in the country have had one jab.

    Welsh NHS not letting up with vaccinations - still steaming ahead full pelt.

    There won't be any arms left to jab shortly - and no place for the virus to hide.
     
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        I dont think it will bother me FC.

        I think applying it to going to work is a step further, its about getting young people to take up the vaccine who, to be honest, just are not interested.
         
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          The trouble is @pete, the lies just keep coming. Sure, it is passports for nightclubs and venues now which won't bother the likes of us, but the next short leap is restaurants, then the next little leap is shops.... then the next leap is you lose your job if you don't have the vaccine (as planned by the WEF which they actually tweeted and then deleted after backlash over it); whichever way we look at it, this is coercion at best. Medical apartheid. This whole thing is getting sinister now.

          Boris needs to leave or be removed from office.
           
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          Our province is not going for vaccine passports. They said it is up to individual establishments to decide how to encourage employees and patrons to get the inoculation.

          The border though will probably be another thing. That's probably reasonable because we have three crossing points at Niagara Falls alone and the tourist flow can be massive.
           
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            I think Boris is probably less likely to do the things you say rather than some of the alternatives.

            If that kind of thing was to be brought in it would have to have a safety net built into it for those, who for medical reasons, are not able to have the jab.
             
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              Its all about getting enough people vaccinated in order to suppress the virus to a livable level.

              Cant remember the percentage needed now but bearing in mind kids will not be vaccinated as a matter of course, it needs a large proportion of the adult population to be done.
               
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                I agree, trouble is the passport can be downloaded as a PDF so will be easily faked, youngsters may not be bothered to get jabbed but will find ways to get into a club, may just be as simple as 'borrowing' your mate's passport.
                 
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                  "Three weeks to flatten the curve"
                  "It is about the science - we will follow the data"
                  "We'll save Christmas"
                  "We'll save Easter with the vaccine"
                  "If you are double-jabbed you will be able to have your holiday abroad"
                  "We got pinged because we were in the same room as Sajid Javid but we are not self-isolating"

                  That is just a shortened summary, before we get to Ferguson, Handcock and Gove with their sexual exploits, or Ferrier ignoring the rules. How many more lies does this lot need to put out before we stop and start thinking? I keep seeing similar sentiments that he is 'better than the alternative' or 'Labour would be worse'... sorry, but that is tiresome at best now. Harold Shipman wasn't as bad as Jack the Ripper, but you wouldn't want him looking after you if you were sick.

                  This current ruling means that a negative test is not sufficient proof - - so you proving you are negative, proving you don't have covid is not enough; but you CAN go out if you are double-jabbed with a vaccine and an app.... a vaccine that we already know does not stop you getting or transmitting the virus and that the viral infection itself can be asymptomatic (allegedly..) and to cap it off 40% of those hospitalised with covid are double-jabbed.

                  As for the alleged safety net, again I don't believe that will work in practice, mostly due to the muppets and jobsworths that will be implementing it.
                   
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                    I suspect they won't bother - warehouses and fields will be prime for illegal raves, and they ask for neither a passport or a negative test.
                     
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                    So I suppose the answer is we should never have night clubs again, or at least for the next 5years.

                    It wouldn't bother me, but if they are going to test every one before they can go anywhere is, IMO, totally impractical long term.

                    Boris has made lots of stupid statements, but I think we mostly know what he is like now.
                    I don't personally give a stuff about the sexual exploits of Hancock etc.

                    Would labour handle it any different I doubt it, very easy for them to sit on the sidelines and come out with nothing substantial other than nitpicking.
                     
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                      It is SO easy to criticise but is there a correct alternative and who decides.......FC ?
                       
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                        Good question roders, although I doubt if a satisfactory answer will emerge.

                        The question I ask myself, (in the absence of anyone else posing it) is "What is this virus trying to teach us?
                        Survival of the fittest encourages competition and what appears to me to be a downward spiral.
                        We are moving into a world where no-one is safe unless everyone is safe -- and I think we are too selfish a species to redesign the way we live, in order to arrive at that point.
                        It seems that although we are intelligent individually, collectively we are stupid.
                         
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                          My school teachers wouldn't have said that about me! :nonofinger: :roflol:
                           
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                            I am not saying that Labour would handle it any better, however that does not mean that I cannot question and criticise the response we are seeing. Equally, I didn't say the answer was not to have nightclubs again - we have 88% of the population with at least one dose of the vaccine now, surely that is the point where we stop tracking and tracing and go for testing when people are actually feeling sick? Or are we happy just to sleepwalk into a situation where what you can and cannot do is based upon whether you've had your immunisation or not? What next - the same for flu? The cold?

                            The PM and the government should be the ones to make the final decision, of course - but, ask yourself if you trust them? I sure as hell don't.
                             
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