Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. Upsydaisy

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    Ours weren't even answering the phone when I tried to contact them earlier in the week either.
     
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      Absolutely, but would you also not expect those modellers to give a probability of that case/model actually happening?

      Kim Jong Un fires a nuclear missile and it reaches the UK and land in Birmingham, it would cause catastrophic damage throughout the Midlands, substantial damage throughout the rest of the country and most of the population of the UK and France would die either in the short of long term from radiation poisoning.

      The probability of that happening however has to be in the 0.00001% range.

      We are quite literally tearing people's lives apart based on a model that demonstrates quite clearly one of the most basic principles of data - SISO.
       
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        We can't get through to our GP by phone either at the moment. We visit the surgery in person and knock, then we make an appointment through the window. No face to face though, the doctor will ring.
         
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          It is exactly behaviours like this that are adding more and more pressure to the NHS and/or costing lives. My mum went to pop a Christmas card through a neighbour's (other side of the road and a few doors down) letterbox last week, having not seen her for quite some time. As she popped the card through the letterbox the door opened and my mum was shocked at the appearance of her neighbour and asked how she was doing.... "I'm not. I'm have colon cancer and am on borrowed time"

          It transpired that the lady concerned had been repeatedly phoning her GP to get to see someone, complaining of various stomach pains etc, yet was simply given antibiotics for an infection - how they worked that one out without seeing her, and then repeated the failure by prescribing different antibiotics when the first ones didn't work is beyond me. Eventually, she was in so much pain/discomfort her son called an ambulance and she was taken to hospital -- only then was she sent for scans etc and the diagnosis made. The hospital staff were utterly perplexed why the GP hadn't escalated it before, but of course the reality is that she had been dealing with one practice but various locums and only by telephone.

          The waiting list for the NHS was stated in summer as being over 5 million - by the time we get out of this next summer that will in all probability be 7.5 million or more. Meanwhile, we have the whole thing practically shut down so we can run around jabbing people who are not sick, with a third jab of the same thing inside 12-months, just so they might not get sick with something that they may not even catch and even if they were to catch it there is an ever increasing chance that when they do get sick it will be no worse than a bad cold. Meanwhile, those who are known to have underlying health conditions (Clinically Extremely Vulnerable) have NOT been told to shield again?
           
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              Unfortunately @Fat Controller this seems to be par for the course.

              Doctors surgeries seem to have had, in most of the cases I hear about, a diabolical approach to this pandemic.

              If only there was a death list being counted up each day of people dying due to neglect, during covid, I think we would have a clearer view of what is really happening.
               
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                What really worries me is that when discussing it on Messenger with my mum and cousin (senior radiographer), my cousin replied that she had a friend in a similar situation and she too was disgusted by the way the NHS were behaving - - her employer!

                How many of these folks end up going into hospital on their last knockings, catch Covid whilst on a ward and then die with covid (as in, positive test but no symptoms) but of insides being riddled with cancer and are then counted as a covid death? I suspect a hell of a lot.
                 
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                  This is fast becoming a 'lets tear the Government and the NHS to pieces' thread.

                  Every bit of this Pandemic is heart breaking, but everyone has done their very best in having to deal with ,very rapidly , this terrible virus then led us all down this dark path into unknown and unforgiving territory.
                  Mistakes made..yes of course but sadly this is the way lessons are learnt.

                  I am not political, not a Conservative, always thought of Boris as a bit.....but as with all our marvellous NHS staff ( on all levels) I take my hat off to them all for their hard work, dedication and determination for not only trying their utmost to keep us safe ( if only we had all bothered to comply) but to try and keep the economy rolling , albeit at a lower gear.

                  Would any of us want or indeed have their stamina to relentlessly keep going when certain members if the public refuse to tow the line ?? Why ..because it infringes on their Human Rights.

                  Sadly life will be lost and not through Covid, and we will have years of people suffering from Mental Health Issues too.

                  Instead of thinking back with hindsight..and newly acquired knowledge shouldn't we be all pulling together and supporting what is being done for us all.
                   
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                    I agree that there are many, many wonderful staff in the NHS @Upsydaisy, however it is not beyond criticism in my view. It is a public service that we pay for through various forms of taxation. I admire much of their work, but refuse to blindly worship it as though it were some sort of religion.

                    Equally, the government have done quite well in some areas - being quick off the mark to order vaccinations was one of those, however you must surely agree that their own behaviours (and indeed those of parties of all colours) has been cynical at best?
                     
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                      No sorry I don't FC, they are human beings ,exhausted , worn out and must surely be at the brink of collapse.

                      It reminds of hearing ( sorry this is a poor comparison I know) joe public discussing the football match results....are they Maradonas, can they even waddle over and kick a ball??

                      The answer is the vast majority aren't and can't.
                       
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                        Shaun Bailey didn't look exhausted or on the brink at that party last year and Matt Hancock clearly had enough energy when it came to getting his leg over (as did Neil Ferguson and Rosie Duffield) - as for Margaret Ferrier, are we supposed to just accept that being tired was a good excuse for travelling the length of the country by public transport, twice, knowing that she had a positive covid result and was showing symptoms?

                        Again, I can accept and indeed applaud those on the front line for the work they have done, especially in the early stages of the pandemic, but that also won't prevent me from questioning things that appear wrong or criticising them where criticism is due.
                         
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                          I agree that's bad history ....but it's happened, lets move on and encourage everyone to 'try harder'.:dbgrtmb:
                           
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                            What happens the next time then? Do we just encourage them again... and again? How many times do we let them take the Mickey out of us before we are able to criticise?
                             
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                              If I moan about potholes in my road I don't hold the bloke who lays the tarmac responsible.
                              If you get my meaning. :biggrin:
                               
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                                No I don't.....lets beg to differ.:biggrin:
                                 
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