Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. pete

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    I never agreed with all the stupid rules that they came up with, mostly because they didn't really make sense to me personally.
    I do tend to think people, in general, are like sheep and tend to want to be told exactly what to do and for some reason believe that if they follow the rules they won't catch anything nasty.
    Of course there were some of those rules that were made law which was wrong IMO.
    I think in the main the government followed the rest of the world.
    They do have questions to answer about care homes and a few other things but this business about messages is just pointless.
     
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      People worshipped Boris. For some people he couldn't put a foot wrong. Even when it was undeniable the government was out of line, and when all other excuses failed, people would defend them with 'labour wouldn't have done any better'. What they were clearly saying with that was the party they elected is probably no worse than the party they didn't elect because they didn't think they could do the job. It's like a rubbish employee defending themselves to their boss by saying ' I'm no worse than someone you didn't want to hire'.
       
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        Pity I've retired, I can think of a few times that excuse would have come in handy. :biggrin:
         
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          I would doubt that the ordinary person in the street was taken in

          A few did OK, those getting govt handouts for not working. I know some people who were given choices by their employer to either work or stay at home on the same pay. Some did their bit by volunteering. It's something we taxpayers will be picking up for years to come. That was plainly obvious at the time so shouldn't surprise anyone now.
           
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            Therein lies the real problem - for decades we haven't really been voting for the best party for the job, but the 'least worst' - - politicians, especially in some areas, know that they don't even need to work to get voted in. Around here, you could put a blue rosette on a dog turd and folks would vote it in.

            Voter turnout is consistently low, not that it matters as they take only the votes of those who have bothered to turn out into account, so even if only ten people turned out, if one candidate gets the most votes...

            Meanwhile, we pay for them to fight like rats in a sack and make stupid decisions that never affect their lives, whilst dictating to us how we live ours.
             
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              Nothing new in any of that @Fat Controller ,I think we are just more informed today and all the double dealing and back stabbing that goes on tends to filter out whereas years ago it took 50yrs before we ever learned what really went on.
              I agree the voting system needs reforming just too many people's votes having absolutely no impact on what kind of government we get.
               
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                I don't care what anyone says, all/most MP's are in it for themselves end of.
                 
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                  Yes but Hand on Heart would anyone of us be any different:whistle:we might start off with high morals and standards but any amount of power corrupts :biggrin:
                   
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                    There are a few MPs who stand out as fair minded, free thinking people, but they are few and far between and never become ministers.
                     
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                      I can think of some MPs who are there to help others. Dennis Skinner and the like, but those sort never get into power because they speak their minds.
                       
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                        The big problem of the party system, and how its run, the party comes first and the electorate second, or third should I say after Me Me Me.
                         
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                          If they had any brains they should have known that you get in to Power first and then you can speak your mind when you have it;):smile:
                           
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                            That's what the ones at the top do.
                            You have to be pretty devious and without honour to do that, which is probably why we end up with what we do.
                             
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                              This is kind of my point.

                              In the beginning, when early data suggested that covid was killing as many as one in five people that became infected, before the first confirmed cases in the UK, experts recommended that we close the borders. Many other countries had already done so. We didn't. Boris wanted 'heard immunity'.

                              A group of experts were so concerned about the government approach and how they were being ignored that they went public with their analysis, shaming the government into a U turn.

                              When the worst case scenario that the experts had predicted didn't come to pass, all the Boris fans used it as evidence that the experts were wrong and the government was right all along. Those people don't understand data. The worst case scenario was based on what would happen if the government hadn't finally gave in and followed advice. Ie, if Boris had stuck to his heard immunity plan, a lot more families would now be broken.

                              It was clear early on that the elderly were most at risk. The experts said so loudly, the data was crystal clear. So what did our government do? They discharged infected elderly patients straight back into their care homes. We all know how that panned out.

                              All this, while all across the world, governments were far more responsive. Granted, nobody got it exactly right. But others were making the best of the emerging data.

                              Our government also convinced people that covid was 'unprecedented', as a way to excuse their ineptitude. History is packed full of pandemics, some of which are recent enough to have been well studied and documented. The so called Spanish flu (so called not because it came from Spain, but because Spain was the first country to publicly admit there was a crisis) killed more people and was recent enough to be thoroughly documented. Asian flu came along much more recently, and again was well documented. There have been many others before and since. And Bill Gates, the victim of many rants from conspiracy theorists, used his resources in the world of data to predict the next big threat to humanity. He predicted a pandemic was more likely to kill more people than war.
                               
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                              Whatever is said now with hindsight, covid was still an unmitigated disaster. I can't see how it can be brushed aside. Thank goodness a lesser number died than the worst predictions, who can say what would have been the outcome if things were handled differently. It might have been much worse.

                              The fact remains a lot of people died and many are still suffering from long covid.
                               
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