Could this latest move by Denmark only add to migrants travelling to the UK?

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    Isn't that precisely what the UK did when they agreed to accept a certain number of Syrian refugees (compassion) but specifically from the refugee camps, not Calais (on "our terms").
     
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      "In law, a minor is a person under a certain age—usually the age of majority—which legally demarcates childhood from adulthood. The age of majority depends upon jurisdiction and application, but is generally 18. Minor may also be used in contexts unconnected to the overall age of majority. For example, the drinking age or casinogambling age in the United States is 21, and people below this age are sometimes called minors even if they are older than 18. The termunderage often refers to those under the age of majority, but may also refer to persons under a certain age limit, such as the drinking age, smoking age, age of consent, marriageable age, driving age,voting age, etc. These age limits are often different from the age of majority.

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        Worse. Apparently if you want asylum in the UK, your case suddenly becomes very strong if you have any family ar all already here, even if those already here entered illegally. That means, let's say an extended family of cousins and great uncles and half step brothers aunties etc try to sneak in. Just one makes it. Suddenly the rest have a strong case to enter LEGALLY.
         
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          We are part of the EU. In terms of migration, the UK is to the EU what Lands End is to the UK: the final stopping point.
           
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          Yes. Hence why at present we don't have the problems the likes of Germany have seen. But I took from your original question, maybe wrongly, an implication that the current status could change significantly in response to changes in Europe.
           
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            Well there is always Ireland??????:biggrin:
             
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              Thank you for posting that, Our Mandy, it does make an interesting read. I can't see where it refers to the age of majority in terms of migrants/refugees/social care though.
              If Joe Public assumes minors means those aged under 18 but may in fact have a different age defined, then when reports speak about X number of "unaccompanied minors" being brought into our care, people could think they have been deliberately misled and that has the potential to cause yet more resentment than some people already feel.
               
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              If you mean by "current status" that would equate to many more people seeking to come here, as a result of Denmark's policies, then yes. Denmark wishes to discourage them, this is one of the ways they are choosing, so, the knock on affect would be that the discouraged will seek a different country.
               
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              AcrossEurope refugees will qualify for citizenship after claiming asylum for betwwen 3-5 years. This can be reduced to 0 if they want .

              Once a refugee has gained citizenship they are free to come to the UK if they want where they can work or claim any benefits a British person can claim.

              THis of course is being kept from the British public.

              Just imagine how things w2ill be if another 1 million Euro citizens move here in 3 yearsd time
               
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                Even those who are illegal, and known to be illegal are not dealt with correctly. Whilst I cannot divulge too many details, I have very recently been involved in a case that began with a male threatening a female with violence and rape and then going on to expose himself before doing a runner.

                He was arrested a couple of days later, found to be an over-stayer (approx 18 months over the end of his initial visa), of no fixed abode, and also wanted for a previous assault on a 15 year old girl, having failed to appear at court in relation to that earlier assault. He was held in custody overnight, meanwhile the police and immigration officers both filed papers to have him deported, and then he appeared in court the following morning.

                The judge bailed him to return six days later. Needless to say, he did not appear for his appointment and is now wanted by police, and has disappeared completely - - to be fair, the judge did give him a six day head start.

                That is what is wrong with this country. By all means, we should support those in their hour of need, no matter where they are from, or indeed what size, shape, colour, religion or sexuality they are. However, it should firstly be controlled - we are an island and we cannot possibly house everyone; if they have not declared themselves as in need of asylum, then they should be shown the door - end of. If they commit crimes, particularly of a serious nature, then they should be popped on a plane and returned either to their country of origin or to the first country where they declared a need for asylum. Having a strict and enforced policy like this would only serve to improve the safety for those who are legally entering our country, as everyone would know that they are legally here and are playing by the rules, hence they are less likely to be tarred with the same brush as those who do not behave just because they do not originate from this country.

                Instead, whilst our leaders tie themselves in knots of red tape, our resources are being ever more stretched and nobody seems able or willing to do anything to put in any semblance of order.
                 
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                  No it isn't. If it was, how would youknow? Unless you are some government whistle blower.

                  I knew that and I don't have access to any more info than anyone else.

                  With respect, a useful rule of thumb, if it's on the the BBC's main channels, AND covered in all major news outlets, it is probably not being kept from the British public.
                   
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                    That may be true in some cases - and certainly you have given an example of one. An example which is both shocking and worrying. But, we often hear of examples where the system has failed (and invariably raises blood pressures at the injustice of it all) but rarely get to hear about how the system is successful for other cases.

                    You may find this interesting reading albeit it was published in July 2015 and won't be updated until later this year: Deportations, Removals and Voluntary Departures from the UK (compiled and published by The Migration Observatory, University of Oxford)
                     
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                      Wrong. The media have not been telling the UK that all the refugees entering Europe will be legally allowed to move to the UK when they get citizenship in whatever country theyve claimed asylum in today.
                      They will be free to move here and all the media talk about is britain maybe taking a few thousand more and not the millions that can come here in a couple of years.
                       
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                      But there will not be millions of jobs available, or millions of houses and nor will there be millions extra hospital beds for them. Nor will there be enough land or money in the pot.

                      So, at *some* point, there has to be a levelling out, surely?
                      At some point, one or two of them will realise that the demand out ways supply and they would no longer be coming to a land of plenty but ... a sinking ship, perhaps? :dunno:

                      My concern then would be the backlash that may ensue.
                       
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                      And the problem is more green land will have to be built on to house the 200k Brits needing housing currently plus the 100`s thousands of new citizens,plus more schools,hospitals,old age services,social services,more trains,more roads etcetcetc.
                      How will this be paid for ? Higher taxes&new taxes.
                       
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