Dahlia Bishops Children

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    I've bought tubers and was thinking I might split them carefully into two. Bits tend to drop off easily and unless they have a section of neck attached will never grow.

    One tuber out of each bunch will probably only produce one or two growing stems. Is that different from making a cutting from each shoot, which would also only yield one or two growing stems per tuber. Or would it?

    Is a freshly rooted single cutting more vigorous and productive than a single tuber section?

    En masse, would you get more of a display from
    a. a fat bunch of tubers subdivided into single tubers with neck attached or
    b. the same fat tuber encouraged to produce shoots which are then harvested for cuttings?
     
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      Cut about five or six leaves down from the top of the stem, leave just two sets of leaves at the top and plonk in water! That easy.
       
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        Well the seedlings are up after seven days, chuffed.
         
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          They are fairly bomb-proof going on my experiences with them last year - shame the same can't be said of begonias
           
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            They ain't like spuds - stick a tuber in and it grows. It is critical that you keep a piece of stem with them that has a bud on it (or will develop one). I think its hit & miss so I pamper the tubers with some damp compost and heat in February to get them into growth and then take cuttings off the shoots.

            Conventional wisdom is to take cuttings with a bit of "heel" / tuber attached. Its not like they are hard to root, and I've never understood why this is preferred - the Tuber has to then trigger a new bud to grow (I imagine). I take cuttings just above the lowest leaf pair - I have to wait a bit longer to have a cutting long enough (well, I have to wait for one more leaf pair to grow, I suppose :) ), but the leaf pair I leave behind then bud-breaks and if that happens early enough I get another pair of cuttings from that before allowing the plant to crack on with growing for the season.

            I doubt it, but my preference is quantity, to bulk up "stock", with a longer term view of having loads of good tuber clumps for next year, and reasonable flowers this year. In practice I have found that towards the end of the season there isn't much to tell between them, so I reckon all that a big clump of tubers is getting you is slightly earlier flowering, and Dahlias aren't particularly good at that anyway - if you are starting them off, with some heat, early in the year then you will be giving them the best / earliest start you can anyway.
             
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              Coming along well...I think. How much longer do I need to wait until I need to pot on?

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                Blimey - yours are way ahead of mine! You could pot them on anytime soon looking at those :dbgrtmb:
                 
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                  Mine were sown on the 15th Feb so roughly thirty days old. When did you sow yours FC?
                   
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                    Last week - I have been slow out of the blocks with a lot of things thus year

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                      Mine are nearly at that stage nfrost , I pricked them out into Wilkos 75mm square pots last week. They will grow on in these until I plant them out .
                       
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                        Thanks for that Harry, I'll get on to potting them on then I guess.
                         
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                        Well I've finally got round to potting them on, gave most of them away now.

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                          Here they are now, roots have just started to poke out the bottom of the pots:

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                          ...but is there something wrong with them?

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                            Not sure what the marks are on the leaves nFrost , but they look very healthy in the pots . Mine are out of the GH now to harden off ,but seem a lot more floppy than yours. They will all perk up when planted out in a week or two :thumbsup:
                             
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                            Planted my Dahlia Bishops Children out a week ago . One was looking a bit drab today , on inspection , yes , Monsieur Sloog had got it ! Removed the stem and it was sprouting again ! from a little corm about 1" long - so that is now planted up in a pot in the GH . Quite amazed they have formed corms when I only sowed seed in mid Feb .
                             
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