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  1. Fat Controller

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    Anyone good with internal doors (@pete maybe?)

    The door between our living room and porch is getting harder to open, and I took a look at it earlier on to see if I could work out why; the latch that locates into the frame (the wee bit that sticks out of the door), is not retracting far enough when the handle is turned and that means that it is not fully clearing the frame.

    At the moment, a good tug will pull the latch past the kick plate on the frame and open the door, but as it is getting harder to do, there is an increasing risk that someone might use more of their body to force it open, and that is a really bad idea as it is a glass panelled door.

    If I took the handles off each side of the door, and removed the mechanism, could I just oil it up, reinstall it into the door, and somehow adjust the handle/latch interaction to bring the latch in a bit further when it is in the closed position?
     
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    Not the right way to do it I’m sure, but when the same thing happened to me, I just ground back the latch.
     
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      Is this an internal door ? One of ours that is heavily used does a similar thing. It tends to be the barrel that contains the latch.

      I'd remove the latch and check that there is no swarf / broken bits of metal. We had total failure and couldn't open the door with the handle
       
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        Ah yes, it’s coming back to me now. I started off grinding back the latch, and it was fine, for a while. It then started catching again, so I looked closer. It turned out that there was quite a bit of ‘play’ caused by wear where the connecting bar passes through. It needed a new mechanism to put it right.
         
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          It needs some lube & a good rub! I could probably assist :snorky: ;)!!!


          Joking aside I have no idea but I hope you soon get it sorted! Xx
           
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            A few squirts of WD 40, allow to dry and then a couple of squirts of silicon lubricant. Same treatmenfor sticky window fittings, and squeaky doors.
             
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              If the WD40 treatment does not work . You may need a new tubular latch ( not expensive ). You need to check total case depth and the backset depth - diagram below shows these. It could also be excessive play in the spindle or the actual handles.
              As this covers everything on a door handle it's not very specific ! My bet is your handles have got worn , with a lot of play in them.


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              I think that's one of the issues with new door latches (is that what they are called ?)

              The mechanism doesn't come lubricated. That and the materials that are now used are of poor quality (they don't make 'em like they used to). Unfortunately mine had started to physically break down and was beyond WD or duct tape
               
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              Had that too on the same door - usually the return spring breaking but sometimes the metal face of the door plate and the handle sticking
               
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              There usually isn't anything to adjust so I doubt taking it apart would not help. If the oil/WD40 route doesn't help then I would check the door hinges - are they loose? Maybe just tightening them up will bring the door back to square.

              If not that then you need to sink in the strike plate a bit deeper.

              Take off the strike plate (usually held on with two screws) and see if the door now opens OK without it. That would be an easy fix but it may not shut easily. A permanent fix would be to chisel out about 1/2 mm of the wood behind the strike plate.
               
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              It is definitely the wee latch thing on the door itself - its the second door into the living room as you came in, although you may not remember it. When the handle is in its fully open position, the latch is still sticking out quite a bit. On that basis, I am reluctant to knock a chunk out of the door frame as if this latch actually fails and we put a new one in, it might then not reach the strike plate.

              I think I just need to bite the bullet and get it apart for a look

              Thanks John :)
               
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                @Beckie76 - your assistance would be greatly appreciated, just be aware that whilst I would gladly offer to reciprocate and help with your bush, I work somewhat slower these days than I used to :biggrin:

                @HarryS - excellent diagrams, thank you :) It is this bit that is sticking too far out on mine:

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                I am fortunate to have an excellent, family run hardware shop just around the corner from my house, so if I need to get a new latch I can simply take the old one in and the new one will appear at the counter as if by magic. My daughter used to call it "daddy's toy shop" :snorky:

                @Freddy - as you say, grinding it down might lead to a total failure then we would be stuffed.

                @andrews & @Mike Allen - thanks for your advice gents, I will need to get my finger out and get it off the door and see if some WD etc would work (assuming that the wear isn't too bad)
                 
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                  If the door locks shut but catches when the handle is fully turned then I think any adjustments will be a temporary fix (they were in my case). The 'monkey metal' that the square spindle fits through totally collapsed on mine meaning that I couldn't open the door with the handle.

                  Well worth removing the latch and checking its condition. Gives you a chance to lube it up if nothing else.
                   
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                    Does it do it when on both sides of the door, may be the square bar that joins the two handles togeter have play and not turning the lock fully

                    Play where square bar goes into handles
                     
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                    Assuming it's a tubular latch (as image below), remove one of the handles and square spindle, then stick the blade of a large screwdriver into the square hole in the mechanism and check whether the latch will fully retract flush with the latch plate.

                    N.B. Stuff like this is best done with the door OPEN to avoid the possibility of being stuck one side of the door.

                    If it doesn't retract, the latch is knackered, but if it does the problem is with the handle(s) or spindle.

                    tubular latch.JPG
                     
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