Ebola virus

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    Oh dear: now you are being rude :frown:
     
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      Only in your opinion. It was a joke, hence the :roflol: and certainly no worse than your :snooze::snooze::snooze:
       
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        I think we will agree to disagree and call it a day, NG.
         
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          My problem is that there are no real numbers of front line NHS staff who are experienced in dealing with Ebola. The comments that are being uttered by Senior NHS Management are blatantly aimed at reassuring the General Public with language that could be used to a dim witted individual, which unfortunately seems to be the standard practice of Governments and Authorities over the decades and is still continuing.
          When I saw the supposedly "reassuring" clips on the News of the proposed methods and equipment going to be used to stop further infection and the quarantining of infected patients I was not reassured. They are proposing to use old Wards in certain Hospitals and when one Government official commenting on the methods compared complacently, and stupidly, Ebola to Flu I was stunned. His "belief" that the protective clothing and protocols for pandemic Flu was adequate for Ebola showed how under educated, ignorant and unaware the Authorities are.
          The present incidents in Spain and now America where members of the team looking after the infected patient have themselves been infected underlines the fact that care, prevention of further spread of infection, protocols, proper protective clothing and equipment, aren't being managed or thought through by the Authorities trying to stop panic.
          When members of the Care Team are allowed to either just go home, visit friends, mingle with the Public, get on a plane and travel after being in immediate contact with an infected person it shows that the Authorities have no real appreciation of the seriousness of Ebola and it's ability to spread.
          None of the protocols when discarding used protective clothing or ensuring that Staff are totally protected when in the quarantine area seems to be working. Also there doesn't seem to be a method of secondary containment area, when a member of staff leaves a quarantined area where the patient is, so that safe discarding of clothing can be done without further spreading of the virus. They appear to be discarding the clothing in an ordinary room adjacent to the quarantine area with the clothing being put in a plastic bin and hopefully incinerated.
          While this sounds harsh it also means that all members of the dedicated Caring Team should be isolated during the treatment of the patient, live in a properly isolated area where infection protocols are carried out strictly. Then, and only then, after the treatment is finished and a suitable time elapsed can the team be considered to be free from infection and safe to mingle with family, friends and the Public. I think that any person brave enough to be in a Medical Caring Team dealing with Ebola would/must realise that they could potentially be infected despite all the protective clothing and protocols and would need to be working and living in a quarantined area themselves whilst caring for the patient.
           
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            And how could they be? Unless they are sent to the infected areas to garner that experience? Then arises the question of cost: should our NHS be sent to infected areas purely to garner experience (alleviate the suffering of those infected) ? The people being seconded are military personel + volunteers (and they are not employed by the NHS).
             
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              I sort of agree, but I also feel that is unrealistic. I doubt very much that they would even agree to that.
               
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              I read this article this morning which explains a bit about it.

              It's not as infectious as some other diseases, but it is horrendous once you've caught it.

              I think there's a lot of scaremongering going on as there usually is (remember Avian flu) but I'm not unduly worried yet.
               
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                Ebola is different from HIV in that it can be spread by additional 'body fluids' such as sweat. You can't can't catch Aids by shaking hands with an infected person, but you would catch Ebola. The advice being issued in West Africa is to avoid shaking hands.

                If full blown cases get established, then there wil also be the posibility of worse stuff on peoples hands.
                 
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                  I am no expert @Scrungee, but not sure you can get hiv from someones sweat??
                   
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                  I'm not worried at all. It sounds pretty scary (as the media like you believe) but how many other illnesses are out there? How many of those scare you? How many present a risk of landing in England?

                  Give it six months and we'll barely remember it, apart from in Africa...
                   
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                  I did say that it would seem harsh. But when balancing the spread of Ebola into countries and cities and the uncontrollable devastation it would bring because we always hesitate, procrastinate, and apply the EU Human Rights Bill......which Ebola hasn't signed up to.....then we have to apply emergency laws to control the spread. Also, we're talking about people who are special enough to volunteer for such a dangerous task. So I disagree that they wouldn't recognise the need for them to work in quarantine and also live in quarantine until they've finished caring for the patient.
                  We cannot talk, communicate, treaty or bargain with this Virus or think that the opportunities presented to it by, in the Western World, our lack of knowledge, initial lack of recognition of the dangers combined with repeated slow reactions and thoughts of "It's Africa's problem, not ours" etc, it will just politely fade away. In this world of ours of easy transport where thousands of aircraft are carrying tens of thousands of passengers into every country of the world every hour.
                  The only "check" to see if an incoming passenger is infected is Temperature Scanner being passed over the ear area, this surge of Ebola needs only one person to carry it and mingle with over a short period of time with crowds for it to spread expansively.
                  I'm not trying to panic people but actually get a recognition of the seriousness of the situation and the Virus. If it doesn't spread easily then why have persons wearing the proper protective clothing and using protocols designed to ensure that they are being protected, being infected??

                  We're looking at over 4, 456 dead, nearly 10,000 infected, with the real front line Doctors forecasting up to 10,000 new infections per week in the following week.
                   
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                    I really feel for those orphans they spoke to on Sky news. No parents, and in some cases, brothers/sisters too. Nobody will go near them, because they are worried they may have it, and won't even sell them food (which is expensive now).
                    Some aunts/uncles have had to take in maybe 4 of their sisters/brothers kids.
                     
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                      That's what he said, that unlike aids you can get ebola from sweat.
                       
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                        Ah yes, apologies my friend @Scrungee, mis-read it :doh:
                        I can't wait till those glasses are ready at specsavers :snork:
                         
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                          The tonight programme tonight was on ebola

                          Apparently when u first get sick when the first symptoms so fever fatigue etc appear you wouldnt pass the virus on by shaking hands etc it is only blood, vomit or diarrhoea that wld spread it

                          Its when it develops further is when it becomes highly infectious and any contact is bad

                          At that point ur not gonna really be mingling with people anyway

                          Also people aren't infectious in the incubation period of the virus
                           
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