Editing, purists and the future of Photography.

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  1. Dave W

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    Could just be my rotten eyeballs!! I upload straight from my PC though used to use Photobucket.
    Maybe my niggle is due to looking at the full size originals and the detail in them and then reducing them, often considerably, and then viewing the reduced sized version on here.
    So just out of curiosity here's a wee experiment -
    The image on the left is unsharpened, that on the right had been sharpened (and flipped)
    The bottom image is an unscaled crop of the original.
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    Ok - not perfect focus,:cry3: but it was a very quick shot, at an angle, through the double-glazed kitchen window when I saw Mr Blackbird watching me while I was taking photos of birds on the feeder during "Garden Watch".​
     
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    Interesting Dave it must be my eyes ,they look the same to me,I always enlarge my images and then sharpen them :)
     
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      The thing is, Dave, if you resize/alter and save any image you will lose some pixels along the way. I don't pixel peep though as it's a bit extreme and only leads to paranoia:heehee:
      To me the image on the right is "sharper" by a small margin in that the white "hairs" on the throat seem more prominent and clear, but there's not a lot in it. Besides sharpening the image doesn't really sharpen it, it merely get's rid of some of the "noise" in the image.:dunno: :snork:

      Oh, and glasses for you and Woo are in the post!!:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
       
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      • Dave W

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        I think you are right Woo. I'd best act on the letter I've had from Specsavers and get my eyes tested. They keep telling me I'm overdue a test!

        Edit - Thanks Armandii, you've diagnosed my problem:ThankYou: :dbgrtmb:
         
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          Say, Cheese, Dave, and watch the Birdie!:heehee:
           
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            The thing with that particular Birdie is that he watches us! As soon as he spots us in the kitchen he's up on the window sill expecting to be fed. He's actually trained us to respond to him rather than the other way round. If we are out in the garden we've got to be careful not to step on him as he come so close.
             
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              Yes, you're right about the birdies training us. The Blackbirds in my garden shout at me when I go out there to refresh the Sultanas at the base of the Bird Bath.:heehee:
               
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              HDR as a photographic tool and post processing method was primarily developed to enable scenes of high contrast to be captured, so dark and light in the same photo which is something the human eye can do but the camera cannot capture very well.

              If it is used correctly you should not be able to distinguish that it is an HDR shot at all, and only an experienced 'tog would be able to tell it was HDR. I think I have shown that here before and posted some HDR's and normal photo's and asked people to guess which is which. Done correctly, or rather not overdone you simply cannot tell at all.

              But it has now become an art form or a branch of photography all of its own whereby no shadows exist and super saturated colours proliferate. Its not my cup of tea but if the user likes it then good luck to them. HDR has also now become a base requirement for other art forms too, such as Urbex or Strobist work.

              Dave, sharpness being lost on your photo's could depend on how the server is set up here, then also how the actual site software is setup too, for example ImageMagick. might not be setup too well on the server or some other soft used, then the forum software may not handle photo's as you would wish, for example it may resample your image down to 80% or some such.

              Steve...:)
               
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                Armandii . going back to your comment, i have never really thought of my photos as a high standard but thanks anyway I still have not yet mastered my camera but someone on here is being a great help.:blue thumb:

                A lied!!!!:rolleyespink: I did lighten two of my Kenya bird pics using Paintshop Pro 9 as it is all I have. They were very dark being backlit but the end result was so too obvious and 'looked edited to me' and I haven't used it before or since.
                Does it to anyone else?
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                I meant what I said about the high standard of your shots, Strongy, I wasn't just being polite, and I would hardly say that 2 attempts with software out of all the shots you have taken is diving into software use:snork:
                Among other magazines I subscribe to is the Amateur Photography Magazine which keeps me up to date on the latest cameras, gadgets and opinions. It's amazing how many different "camps" there are in the photography world, those that like, still use, and defend the film camera and say it's still alive and kicking, those who like to use just black and white, the huge digital club that is still growing, the groups that advocate the sole use of only one of the different kinds of cameras, the lens collectors, the big lens users, and so on. There are so many different factions out there. One of the most fanatical, and divided, camps is the Software tribe who warring between themselves about use, or over use, of it. So I don't see any of the differing camps ever agreeing.:heehee:
                As I said earlier, I believe it comes down to the individual how they want to use and enjoy their camera and whether or not to use software to whatever degree.:coffee:
                 
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                  Two super shots Strongy, but as you've already noted, being back-lit it's hard to get exposure perfect. I don't know if you used it but 'spot metering' rather than averaging is handy in situations such as those.
                  Paintshop Pro is pretty good, I use PSP8 quite a lot as it's fairly simple and quick, though I do also use Photoshop too.
                  I don't think the image of the Eastern Chanting Goshawk shows any signs of being too obviously edited. In fact you could have probably taken your editing a bit further as per below where I've tweaked the levels a little and sharpened slightly.
                  Hope you don't mind me messing about with your photo!
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