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  1. Jiffy

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    Our nearish charging piont is over 10 miles away so would have to have a home charger if i went for elecy milk float
     
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      Surely if any company was being fined for not selling enough of what people don't want they would look very closely at their options. I'm sure there are many countries who would welcome the investment with open arms.
       
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        Many people don't even have that option. Anybody living in a terraced property is highly unlikely to be able to charge at home. A brand new estate near us has many terraced properties and they have parking in a separate area to the houses. They can't even get close to their houses with a car. The house my niece lives in has it's own 2 parking bays, but they are the opposite side of the road into their cul-de-sac from the house. Charging an EV would be almost impossible for them. They have a small front garden but it's only about 10 feet long.
         
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          I just wonder how many charging points would be needed if the whole lot of us were using electric.
          It takes just a few minutes to fill up at a service station, but how long are these cars hogging a charging point.
          Blimey I get fed up charging my phone, my razor, my camera, my speaker, my drill, my chainsaw etc. and its a pain when they run out just when you want to use them I dont think I want to have to charge a car.
           
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            Expect its been mentioned earlier somewhere, but do wonder why folk think they can do on street charging, apart from the trip hazard liability problem, surely its going to be in home or work garages charging only as on the news recently the copper cable thieves are finding them an easier target, who going to stop them, no police around these days.
            They are even targeting the motorway services charger cables which they say cost many hundreds.

            Interesting article in our weekly motor magazine, they suggest the Corsa E is a best buy second hand, as though it was around £33k new , you can now pick up a 70 plate with just 26k miles for under £10k, far less than equivalant petrol cars.
             
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              That is certainly the biggest issue. The likelihood of an EV (including buses) catching fire is far,far lower than for an ICE or hybrid vehicle (source London Fire Brigade) but if it does the heat generated is immense and for a far longer period.
              I do laugh when the EV haters cite fire as a reason that the move to EV is "stupid' etc yet do not insist on stopping the use of brake fluid, high pressure fuel systems or engine oil, three of the main causes of vehicular fires.
              Despite all the above, I would not want to live 25/30 floors above a 190 bus bus depot. Accidents are unavoidable but Grenfell was a tragedy created by greed! It would be nice if developers could learn from past tragedies rather than repeat them.
               
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                Some of the battery tech that is coming out for buses is really quite interesting - some of them not using lithium at all I believe. The other scary thing though is that we've got one site with roughly 70 EV buses (about to increase by next summer) and the current 'input' power capacity is stated as being "only" 4.5 megawatts... that, by anyone's measure is a shedload of energy and whilst everything will of course be fused and breakered to the teeth, if something were to happen, it would be one hell of a bang.
                 
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                  @Fat Controller - I think that the real game changed for electric cars and vans could well be lithium/air. Roughly two thirds smaller batteries should offer 200 to 300% greater range with faster charging.
                  I reckon that TFL is pretty used to 4.5Mw. Not sure which of the bus franchise holders you refer to but plenty of knowledge available inside the M25. Fine as long as it is sited in a sensible place (ie, not under residential property).
                   
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                    "From what I have heard ..."
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                      We are within M25 and contract to TfL - thankfully, none of our sites are under residential, so OK there. The issue we are having now is lack of supply from the grid... talk is now of tapping into the Underground for supply current, but that is in early stages.
                       
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                        ...and oil extraction in comparison?
                         
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                          In fairness, I don't think there has ever been any denial that oil extraction is not without it's environmental costs - the difference is that EV's are being lauded as saving the environment and indeed are being mandated before too long - nobody has ever mandated that you buy diesel or petrol.
                           
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                            Wasn't mandated but there was a push to get everyone buying diesel cars not that long ago i seem to remember.:scratch:
                             
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                              There was indeed a push, but that is entirely different to being mandated - indeed, the diesel saga is yet another reason why folks are reluctant to go for EV, having been burnt before. I lost thousands on that mess.
                               
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                                That just sounds like another good reason not to buy one..........yet.:biggrin:
                                 
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