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    Well, I used to buy new for a few years and then started buying higher spec. cars at about a year old, mostly with only about 5 or 6 thousand on the clock and still under warranty.

    My car now is 11yrs old and approaching the oldest car I've ever owned.

    Prices are just stupid now, unless you are a train driver.:biggrin:
     
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      @pete as far as I'm concerned the idea of replacing a car every 2 or 3 years went out many years ago, at the time when an engine was considered done for by 50k miles. I've never subscribed to the idea anyway, and have always kept cars until they become problematic, be that rust or mechanical issues.
       
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        The point I'm making is back then you could afford to do it, but not these days, admittedly they were rust boxes back then.:biggrin:
         
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          There is the odd stonking deal about at the moment, if you are willing to do a PCP deal - saw one today where it was circa £300 down, £300 a month with a GMFV of around £13k or so; whilst not the most desirable car in the world, it was a brand new Hyundai with 5 years warranty, so no disgusting. You're right though, the days of folks going out and buying one cash are just about gone
           
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          My next car will be an EV.
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            I've always bought new cars and kept them for at least ten years. My first one was in 1965 and cost £375. I saved hard for a few years for that one. :thumbsup:
             
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            You may laugh, but this is the future, its not just people who cant walk that use these, its a growing trend.
             
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            Personal Contract Purchase - Guaranteed Minimum Future Value. So, these can go for you or against you.... I had a Nissan Qashqai on a PCP that I put a few grand deposit into.. it should have gotten to the end of it's term and been worth around £3.5k more than the GMVF (which is also the balance you need to pay if you want to keep the car and buy it outright); the dieselgate scandal broke and everyone suddenly went off diesels, so the value tanked, badly. That coincided with me being ill in 2018, so I wasn't driving for almost a year, so I decided to hand the car back (as I could do under the agreement at the halfway mark) and take the loss of the deposit. Even at that stage, the finance company took a bigger hit than I did.

            My last one, Jag XF, my deposit wasn't a hell of a lot on that one on a PCP again as I was still recovering from having to start again in 2019... it was bought in Feb 2020, just before the world went mad. By the time I traded it in April 2023, it's value paid off the outstanding balance and gave me £4.5k toward the Volvo, so that was a good one. The Volvo is on track to pay for itself and hand me around £3k at least if I want to trade on, but I might just refinance the balloon on this one (around £10k) which is a lot of money... but, you won't buy a six year old XC60 for £10k anywhere.... plus, I know this car backwards and know what has been done servicing wise.

            It becomes difficult when you see deals such as the Hyundai I mentioned earlier though, as that is a brand new car for similar monthly payment to just now, or indeed for a loan to buy this one outright... so what do you do? Do you stick with a 6-7 year old Volvo or do you go for a brand new Hyundai... one you like, the other has a five year warranty.
             
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              That all seems very complicated to someone like me who as usually just bought a used car from my savings, it doesn't sound like something I'd ever like to get involved in, it sounds like a minefield.:frown:
               
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              I've always done the same and struggle to convince myself on hire purchase
               
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                It can be - trouble is, when you are mostly bloody skint, it is that or constantly pouring money into bangers. Don't get me wrong, this Jag that I have sort of "adopted" would still be able to ba ran as a daily even today, despite being 29 years old. But... you'd be forever chasing it with bits and that would get expensive, fast - assuming you could even get the bits. Then there is ULEZ which knackers a lot of folks around this way too.. you are almost forced into buying something newer.

                When I bought the XF, I traded in an XJ8 that was a lovely thing, but it drank like an alcoholic at a free bar and at the time, our dog was quite ill and all our money was going on him. It was cheaper to have a PCP on a diesel XF than it was to keep running the XJ.

                As it stands today, I have two years to decide - I can refinance the last chunk on the Volvo and keep it (quite likely to happen) at any stage from now basically, or I can trade it for another and just keep paying the monthly payment. In all reality it isn't that different to leasing really, except leasing is often more expensive.

                It doesn't help when you don't own your own home - as soon as you rent, financing options change significantly.
                 
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                  If the Hyundai is a BEV, then its more likely they have are having one last push to meet the mandate.

                  The figures for new car registrations for 2024 in the UK will be released tomorrow, with big discounts in December they are predicting that BEV's will have a market share of 19.1%.

                  As this report says, these discounts by the manufacturers and these BIK to the lease sector are covering up the real market share of BEV's which they say is around the 11-12% mark. The mandate for market share for BEV's rises to 28% for 2025, this will be a huge challenge as all these discounts and subsidies are unstainable.

                  ZEV Mandate puts bitter aftertaste on successes of 2024 UK new car sales, SMMT says

                  On Friday, I was planning to take my daughter back to Lincoln on Sunday, with the weather alerts, I decided to take her yesterday. From Keswick to scotch corner the traffic heading East was heavy with very little heading West. Plenty of motor homes and wobble boxes heading back from the lakes. We stopped at Scotch Corner and were in a queue to try and get parked, it was not down to lack of parking but BEV's queuing to get charged. This a major issue, the terrain to get more power to the lake district is going to be very costly, but it's going to be needed, especially in peak times.
                   
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                    It was a petrol, somewhat surprisingly.
                     
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                    Maybe not, if new car registrations growth is down to the lease sector, then the private buyer market is probably a lot weaker than first thought. This is the problem with the media, showing month on month growth in the car market in the UK especially when it's only driven by the fleet sector. When the government stops these subsidies, like they did in Germany, the fall off a cliff will be huge for the new car market.
                     
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