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    The VW UP my son leased was also £30 VED which was registered mid March 2017, a couple of weeks later that would of been £155 as VED all changed on the 1st April. Percentage wise, that is a big increase, it might not seem fair for EV owners but you could also say, it has not been fair for ICE owners too. What ever form of transport we end up using in the future, one thing for sure, it's going to cost us.

    All cars registered from march 2001 to 2017 and produced the least C02 qualified for lower VED rates, but that is about to change. From 1st April 2023 they will now have to pay more, I think you will be charged the same VED rates as new registered cars.
     
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      The higher polluters are being forced off the roads with high tax.
      It stands to sense that money has to be recouped from somewhere, if you have the money to buy an EV, you have to money to pay a sensible road tax.
       
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      From the 31st July all goods vehicles have to pay a levy towards wear and tare on the roads, even though we already pay tax. This will be an extra £1000 per year for trucks that are 44ton gross, it was due to be implemented in 2020 but delayed due to Covid. With the current cost of living this should be delayed again, not the right time. If they hadn't stopped the rebate on diesel, then contractors wouldn't have increased their quotes to maintain them. Kicking the can down the road which ends up with consumers paying more.
       
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        Are we supposed to have driving licences? :scratch:
         
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          What I can't get my head around is how they can claim that EV's are so much less polluting than ICE's. Emissions on the road are certainly less but the extraction of the rare minerals needed are considerably higher.
           
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            That's one of my biggest issues with EVs. Full supply chain and sustainability consideration is completely ignored.
             
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              There's a news article today about how much less polluting it is to drive at 50 rather than 70 suggesting lowering the limit on motorways :doh:
              Presumably you get better range driving an EV at 50 rather than 70 too...
               
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                Most motorways around here you are lucky if you can do 30 let alone 50.

                Either accidents, roadworks or sheer weight of traffic.
                 
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                  When I used to do regular trips to the Lake District My fuel consumption was lower at a steady 70-75 (speed used to creep up) than at a steady 50. My previous car used to display what the current fuel consumption was.
                   
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                  Must admit mine is more economical at 50 than at 70, but it's hard work keeping at that.
                  Also any one who has used the M20 recently, which is always in a state, and with a 50 limit will tell you that the foreign lorries ignore speed limits and drive as close as possible to intimidate you into travelling at their maximum speed .
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                    Britishvolt went into administration last week, now details are emerging of where the funding was being spent. A whooping £3 million a month payroll for a staff workforce of under 300, leasing a £2.8m mansion and the use of private jets. Late last year the company managed to get their staff to agree to a wage cut, they were probably on 2.5k a week anyways if these figures are correct.

                    The Collapse of the UK’s Electric Vehicle Champion
                     
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                      A car load of American a$$holes.
                       
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                      Ever worked in a start-up? The bloke in charge and immediate lackeys tend to be egomaniacal a-holes without a clue so they're constantly chasing investment.

                      There's an Australian outfit looking to buy the IP and build the plant now
                       
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                      I didn't know that most of these so called rapid chargers don't actually charge at the speed they proclaim to, especially during the day. A 150kWh generally only charges at 134kW or less during peak times, then you need to make sure the battery has been preconditioned and the battery is below 20%. If you have not preconditioned the battery or still have more than 20% charge, then the car will only charge at a lower speed of approximately 65kW.

                      I also did not know that if your at a 150kWh supercharger that has 2 charging points, you will only get that speed if your the only car. When there is 2 cars charging from the same point, it charges both cars at roughly 65kW. I assume this must also apply to even slower chargers as well when 2 cars are charging from the same point.
                       
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