Electric cars.

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    On yer bike mate.;)
    last I heard he was more into fishing boats.
     
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      This gentleman owns a Porsche Taycan which is quite the car - there is one comes into the BP headquarters near my house and suffice to say it can go like stink. Anyways, this chap has one, but suffice to say it appears he is less than happy.

       
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        So, the tariff exemption which was agreed in the Brexit trade deal on imported electric cars expires on the 31st December. This is likely to result in the cost of an EV imported from the EU increasing by 10%

        Electric car prices to increase by £3,400 as Brexit tariff kicks in (telegraph.co.uk)

        Yet many media outlets were predicting purchasing an EV would reach parity by 2024.

        Deloitte predicts electric vehicle price parity by 2024 – Automotive Industry Digest

        And so much for British volt, the new owners, recharge, are planning to manufacture batteries for the Australian military.

        Britishvolt aims to supply batteries to Australian military - BBC News
         
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        BritishVolt managed to find a buyer/funder then?
         
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        Bit obscure, the Australian military?
        Doesn't sound like a money spinner to me.:biggrin:
         
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            I think they want to stop us using cars altogether, it's a form of controll. We're getting more like a dictatorship all the time, and only the rich will be able to afford cars.
            The Welsh government wants to ensure 10% of all journeys are either made on public transport, foot, or bike by 2040. And it won't end there ...
            And public transport is not fit for purpose, and in an agieng country most people won't be able to walk or use a bike. But the rich will be able to drive around on clear roads in their very expensive cars ...
             
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              Whilst this is not car batteries, and the damage is deliberate - watch this:

               
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                I think a few nails were hit squarely on the head, for sure. The one that doesn't, initially, make much sense to me is VW culling the Up! But, I have a video in my watch later list that is about VW as apparently there have been some warnings made by their CEO. If it is relevant, I will post it here.
                 
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                  The VW wasn't really relevant beyond saying that they had basically been caught napping, with Chinese manufacturers getting the march on them and then they had invested £183bn into EV development, but at the same time sales had tanked and costs had spiralled, so they are in trouble.

                  This one on Toyota is interesting -
                   
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                  If electric car sales are falling, does it mean that eventually we'll be able to afford them? And if that happens will the prices go up again? The reason the new electric Mustang isn't selling...

                  ....would you swap either of these...
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                  ...for this? So where did the Mustang we know and love disappear too?
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                    I called it months ago @Sheal - Ford (and others such as VW) have literally lost their way. They failed to anticipate what was going on in terms of EV, but at the same time knew they were being forced into scaling back ICE development, so designs seemed to stagnate. Ford have attempted to revive sales by putting name badges from the past on anything in the current range, but that won't translate to the car the name harks back to.

                    VW have essentially openly admitted they are in trouble, Ford are only holding on slightly more thanks to their home market in the US. Of all the well known brands, JLR are in the absolute worst position - - if they don't turn their fortunes around in the next 18 months (max), then they are doomed. If the insurers involved in the Luton airport fire decide to start digging and making life difficult, then JLR's goose is definitely cooked. I read an article earlier that mentioned a worldwide shortage of spare parts for cars, specifically in the Land/Range Rover models, with a shortage of courtesy cars also, because so many customer cars are out of action and awaiting parts. A chap I work along side has a Discovery that he is about to move on - his experience has been so bad that I can't see him ever considering the brand again.

                    Stellantis (Vauxhall, Fiat, Jeep, Peugeot, Citroen, Chrysler etc) are using strength in numbers to get them through, as are the Nissan, Renault, Mercedes tie-up, but even they aren't exactly flourishing.
                     
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                      The way things are going the car industry as a whole will collapse, both electric and combustion engines.

                      We have a 2 1/2 year old Ford Puma hybrid, which we've been happy with having given up with other makes. The problem now is, we'd like something a bit smaller but most car manufacturers are stopping - or have stopped producing them. The Puma is now Ford's smallest car. Come Spring we'll be looking to change but at the moment it's likely we'll hang on to the Puma. A fully electric car, by choice, is not an option. Not because of the cost, but because we don't trust their reliability.
                       
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                        Like most of these things we have lurched toward in the name of the environment, we simply can't afford it... and by that, I don't just mean you and I, I mean companies, governments etc... it is costing arms and legs and worse still, much of it is not any more environmentally friendly.
                         
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