Furious , anybody any advice other than a stiff drink?

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  1. shiney

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    Thanks Dave, I said that the area was about four times (rough calc in head) and I assume that it will allow that many times the flow, but I don't know if that's how it works. If the pipes are below the water level all the time I guess that would be right but, if not, there may be some rather esoteric (to me) calculation.
     
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    According to Google, the circumference (bore) of a 9-inch pipe is 63.62 sq inches; The circumference of an 18-in pipe (double that of the 9-in pipe) is 254.34 sq. inches, so although double the diameter the available 'bore' is more than four times that of the 9-in pipe.

    Therefore, if my thinking is straight, the two 18-inch pipes are equivalent to at least 8 of the 9-inch pipes (and in reality, it would probably be more like 10 if I could be bothered to work it out :oopss: )

    EDIT - must type faster!
     
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    Sorry fc, it's still four times :love30:

    One 18" pipe is four times one 9" pipe.
    Two 18" pipes are still four times two 9" pipes.
     
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    I'm confused.com now - so how many nine inch pipes would be the equivalent of the two eighteen inch ones then?
     
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    Of course it is! See, I can be sooooo thick at times!
     
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    Calculating actual water flow involves a lot of really complex maths (way beyond me) as there are many factors involved such as pressure of water, roughness of the pipe, length of the pipe, any bends etc.
    Next time you turn the tap on in your sink on notice that the water flows smoothly but as you open the tap further you start to get turbulence - there's even an equation to say when the turbulence will set in. But knowing it isn't a lot of use if you are just washing dishes!
     
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    Yes, flow and pressure are totally different things. How well the pipes work will be affected by the speed of the flow and where the pipe is in relation to the surface of the water. The pressure depends on the speed and the flow. So the amount of water passing through the pipes (flow) can vary depending on the pressure. The diameter of the pipes and the amount of solid surface between them changes the proportions.

    If you want to do your head in :heehee: , have a read of this:-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle
     
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    I won't bother shiney - I've no chance if I can't even get the number of pipes right :biggrin:
     
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    This is going way above my head,I work on a need to know ,sometimes
     
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      I'm pretty sure the answer is 8.
      If one 18" pipe is equal in area to four 9" pipes, then by reducing the equation to simple algebra -

      If 1a = 4b (1, 18" = 4, 9")
      Then 2a = 8b (2, 18" = 8, 9")

      Quite happy to be proved wrong as maths isn't my best subject!
       
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        Fair enough. They will always try to make you agree to terms. But it's never in your interest to sign: you gain by waiting, they don't really need it 'cos your claim was specific and it's costing them more and more the longer they delay paying. If they realise you're not going to compromise, they'll pay anyway on your terms just to avoid their costs escalating.
         
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        Help I wasn't expecting a debate on pipes to ensue!We and the council settled on 2 x 18 pipes as that is the closest to what is upstream and no doubt doesn't equate to 11 x 9 inches which would have been totally ridiculous to lay even if there had been space to do so! The link which contains a graph (even I can understand!) that seemed to perhaps nudge the council into agreeing 2 x 9 doesn't equal 1 x 18 when it comes to pipes is www.ejprescott.com. I sincerely hope I never have to go through such a ridiculous battle. It shouldn't have been us and a neighbour who needed to tell the council how to do their job properly as personally I've never ever had anything to do with capacity of pipes before and hope never again. Totally agree Pamdish I never thought I'd "need to know"!
         
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        How about standing as a councillor next time? You've got your seconder already.
         
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          Dave, I think we may be talking at cross purposes. Your second line of the equation says that 2 x 18" pipes equals 8 x 9" pipes. Eight being four times two.

          That is what I said in my first quote but I misread fc's last question :doh:. So I answered incorrectly to that one :sad:. When I said 'four' I meant four times the number of 9" pipes. (A stupid mistake for someone, who taught maths, to make!! :mad: ) Can I report myself for stupidity? :heehee:


           
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