Garage and new border

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    The "split unit" retro-fit air cons normally used here range in price from about £100 to around £400 and like everything else, one gets what you pay for and some will introduce fresh air whilst with others it's debatable.

    They can also be used for heating (most can be set to between 16 and 30 degrees Celsius) but it's debatable as to their efficiency.

    There are proposed changes to the building spec but can't recall any mention of having to include any ducting.
     
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      Soooo, I haven't done anything with this yet!

      Have been out and revisiting it today and noticed more rot in the two verticals either side of the doors so come what may, they have to be replaced. I've also pondered things like change of use permissions and some jobsworth shopping me for sealing it all up. The timber would also be £150-£200 whereas I currently have two doors that fill the hole quite nicely... (you can see where this is going perhaps)

      New plan, STCWTW*, is to remove doors and replace uprights. Strip the doors and re-fit. This may be problematic as one is currently bowed outwards a bit. Add in a sill above the doors to prevent water ingress there and seal around edges after screwing the doors in place. They will look like doors but will not be doors.
      Find a colour I like and paint it all. Do border thingy as planned.

      *subject to change with the wind
       
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        Is the bowing due to the rot or are there structural stresses on the door frame?
         
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        Think it swelled and got clamped between top / bottom frame
         
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        OK, understand now.
        I thought it was the frame that was bowing.
         
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        If the rot is not too bad and could be "planed" off, there are several methods of straightening warped wood.
        One method uses water and the other steam and hot water, however depending on the type of wood, how much warpage (is there such a word ??) and any coatings on the wood will affect the outcome and will probably not be worth the effort.
         
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        I think it's the paint holding it together lol It's odd - the last (bottom) quarter, if that, of the uprights is a completely separate piece of wood. Same dimensions obviously but it must be a replacement; either that or a new type of frame construction I haven't seen.

        Doors, although perhaps a bit warped and in need of TLC are in 'OK' condition. I won;t be spending any amount of undue effort on them. They'll either fit or they'll be replaced with my original plan... Or another one if one springs to mind!
         
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        If it turns out that the doors don't fit, take some measurements of the opening and with some luck you may find some replacements doors at a reclamation yard.
        May need a bit of sanding and a lick of paint and you will have almost new doors at a fraction of the cost.
        You may even be able to find glass sliding doors which will allow much more natural light in.
        Another advantage of sliding doors, is that it would be much easier to fix the rot on the verticals.
         
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        Good tips Dave, thanks, but I'll be using the garage more for storage than anything so no need for sliders or anything really.
        Just have to motivate myself into starting it now!
         
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        Always the hardest bit. :heehee:
         
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        Right. The pics below show what I'm most concerned about. On both sides there is a piece of separate wood that has been replaced at some point (or has always been constructed like this). The main support, if it is indeed a support, where the door is attached to, is 4x3" so they must have removed the bottom hinge, chopped out and replaced the wood and reattached the hinge. The reason I question if it supports anything as the one on the right is more rot than wood and the one of the left is made up from 3 pieces of timer cobbled together to fit the hole.
        I don't want to start this only for the roof to start sagging... Or worse, collapse on me lol
        I don't see it as a real possibility as there is a great big lintel across the doorway, as you would expect, taking the load into the corner brick pillars.

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        Am also thinking it might look odd or a bodge...
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        I see from the original pics you posted, that there is a lintel above the door but if you want extra insurance, use a thick wooden beam and place it vertically as an extra support as close as possible (without impeding access) to the verticals you intend replacing.
        Do one side at a time.

        Before removing those verticals, have you established how deep the rot goes?

        I see there is also quite a bit of water damage to the floor.

        The blue doors do look a bit out of place (sorry), perhaps painting them a brownish colour which is closer to the bricks will make them blend in more.
         
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        BTW, if you do decide to replace the wooden verticals, I suggest you make them slightly shorter so as to accommodate a metal foot spacer, as wood in direct contact with concrete is looking for trouble.
        I've forgotten the proper name for those spacers but they are commonly used for wooden structures to protect the frame from moisture in the concrete.

        In fact, I'll bet that is the reason why the bottom section was replaced due to water damage as the wood is in direct contact with the concrete.

        UPDATE:

        They are called post supports and a quick search revealed that both B&Q and Wickes stock them.
        Just make sure you get some which are properly rated for the application.
         
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          Good point - I'd have forgotten those!

          Yep, the door colour is a bit out of place. Black too dark and brown, well it's poo colour lol Dark red perhaps?

          Rot on the left side is the lower replacement bit and upwards by about 4". Rot on the right is just the lower piece. Having said that I'll double check...
           
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