Glyphosate approval

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  1. CarolineL

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    Groundsmen can still get Pistol which contains diflufenican for pre-emergence
     
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      No :biggrin:, I remember sodium chlorate being banned. Didn't rate it much anyway, it's only real advantage being that it was cheap. The big plus with Pathclear was that usually, only one application was needed to see you through the growing season.
       
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      Ah..thanks @CarolineL! Knowing the active ingredient is half the battle won!
       
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        Glufosinate ammonium is a contact herbicide with no systemic action
        Ammonium sulphamate was a very effective weedkiller with a systemic action. I used it to remove a thicket of lilac suckers. The main problem was you had to use a fairly high concentration (200g/L), but it was fairly safe to use, fairly slow acting if I remember correctly and broke down over a number of weeks.
         
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          Simazine! That was the name...it all comes back (eventually) :biggrin:
           
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            Brighton and Hove council have just been given the go ahead to start using glyphosate again, after phasing it out in 2019.
            This time though, they're using the droplet method rather than the willy nilly spraying of yesteryear. It's still upset the bunny hugger party down here...but something had to be done as the roads, especially in the suburbs, were starting to look like a scene from a dystopian future film!
            At the present time, there is no real alternative that is financially viable that works and that will appease the anti everythingers.
             
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              The sad thing is that politicians don't realise what a waste of time it is using glypho on annual weeds. It's the same over here. One annual treatment of a pre-emergent weedkiller + glyphosate was far more effective on hard surfaces.
               
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              I was under the impression that glyphosate had been given approval both by the EU and the UK.

              The approval of glyphosate in the EU was due to expire on the 15th December 2023 and the UK from the 15th December 2025.

              As far as I know, the EU gave approval for glyphosate for another 10 years in November with Defra secretary of state, Thérèse Coffey, saying glyphosate was here to stay in an article by the NFU.

              Brussels allows use of glyphosate across EU for 10 more years after member states fail to reach deal | Euronews

              QANDA_23_5793_EN.pdf (europa.eu)
               
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                Brussels approved it for 10 years, but each member State can decide whether to approve it's use on their territory or not. One of the major factors in the recent farmers' protests was that France is very reluctant to re-approve it. It's crazy when the stuff is freely available over the border in Spain.
                 
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                  The reality is that there isn't any alternative and some councils have come a cropper by not using it coupled with their 'no mow May' nonsense; many pavements became like forests of weeds because there were no staff to go and weed them using hand or power tools, which was followed by some folks tripping/falling and the councils having injury claims.

                  The other reality is that when weeds are left unchecked, they can damage infrastructure (depending of course on the weed etc) and that in turn is much more costly for the councils to deal with.
                   
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                  Synical old me just sees it as a cost cutting exercise and using the green thing as a way of explaining it all, just do less and save money.

                  @flounder you council tax is going to rocket next year.:biggrin:
                   
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                    Macron's government will just recourse to article 49.3 to ban the farmers from using glyphosate just like he used it to increase the pension age and tourist tax on accommodation.
                     
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                    The "no mow May" thing definitely is. We have inlaid verges in our street that should be cut four times per year and until last year, they were. Last year, the responsibility passed from borough to county council who then did this "no mow May" thing to help the bees.... I don't know about you, but I haven't seen many bees bother with grass. Anyway, I ended up cutting the one outside ours at least three times last year and they did it twice, with one of those times a day or two after I had already done it.

                    This autumn, I am whacking a few hundred daffodil bulbs into that verge - if I am having to look after it, it may as well look nice in spring.
                     
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                      I still think its safe if used for its intended purpose, spraying standing crops with it should be outlawed and let the rest of us use it for killing weeds.
                       
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                        Must admit they cut the verges around here more than 4 times a year but there is always a lull for a month or two because they seem to have to sort out new contracts.
                        Its only some areas of playing fields that get left on the housing estates but verges in the countryside, what's left of it, are allowed to grow.
                         
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