Glyphosate found in Human Urine

well, reading your previous posts about genetically modified foods and crops, both on this and other previous threads, you are one of the very few who endorse Genetically modified crops etc (and this subject is actively debated on several forums that I frequent)

I'm totally against GM, but we all have our own opinions (it's merely opinions at this stage, as no-one knows the long term implications) ....

 

I don't endorse GM. I'm neither for nor against it. I think I've said in the past that I'm not clever enough to know all the implications, but if some of what we're told is true, then it may make the difference between people going hungry or not.

As you've clearly built up such an accurate picture of my opinion based on a few postings on this forum, you'll also know that I try to maintain a balanced view, and that I try to remind people that we are all responsible for what happens to our world, not just Monsanto.

 

As far as gardening goes, we grow what we like to grow.
I'm seeing more and more "weeds" being allowed to take over where I live, its cut backs, but the council insists its the green approach.:WINK1:

As to GM, it would be nice to get a balanced opinion, we get all the tree huggers saying it's the end of the world, and then we get all the big companies saying they are going to save the world.

I'd like to see the fors and againsts set in a sensible manner so we can make up our minds.
At the moment its a bit like a general election, all lies just to get your vote.

 

sadly, it's more complex than that .... companies such as Montsanto are run by greed ... that's why 5 million brazillian farmers are currently trying to sue Montsanto:

http://www.rt.com/news/monsanto-brazil-seed-soy-908/

so.... 'we' are not all responsible .... only a few determine what is right and what is wrong ... it all boils down to control and profit

but, I respect your opinions ....

 

Yes we are. Monsanto is a company. It gains power by selling things. You can't sell things without people buying things. Most people have a choice. I have a choice. I face many choices when I want to do something or buy something. One choice I might make is this: Do I blitz my front and back garden with poison and then pave the whole lot, or do I try to work with nature to grow things in there that are happy, that make a positive contribution to the local ecology, and at the same time please me and my family. That's a choice. People have every right to hold whatever opinion they want of any company they want. All I want on the subject is for people to remember that while they're focusing all their attention on some injustice on the other side of the planet, please don't forget what's right on your doorstep. There wouldn't be much point fighting to bring down some corporation only to find that while you're attention was elsewhere, your own local environment has gone down the pan without any resistance.

 

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you buy tomatoes and buy potatoes and buy carrots etc on a weekly basis .... unless you buy organic, you will most probably be buying some sort of GM product ... the reason being is that farmers are also profit orientated

so .... you decide to go the organic route for your children and buy organic fruit and veg ....

yet you buy bread that is made from GM wheat .... you buy sugar that is GM ... you buy cans of sweetcorn that is GM modified etc etc

so, it's a lot more complex than just 'deciding' and 'choosing'....

even French citizens and farmers tried to ban GM .... and they failed ....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/22/french-ban-gm-maize-rejected

so .... we as the public don't have a 'choice' ....

 

If you believe that to be true, then why do you waste your energy preaching about it? Surely, if what you say is true, then all the campaigning and lobbying and preaching in the world will make no difference at all, so we might as well just do what we want and have as much fun as possible before the end of the world comes.

 

I don't bother 'preaching' because my personal opinions will not change things ...

but as long as I 'educate' you as to what's really happening, ... I'm happy

and I always enjoy sharing my personal opinions (even though they may not always be correct)

:WINK1:

 

'Educating' people to believe they have no choice is not generally referred to as education.

How do you know better than me 'what's really happening' anyway? I don't mean that in an offensive way, I'm just curious as to what I've missed.

 

I read other peoples opinions on other forums, research further using google, ask loads of questions, then make up my own mind ....

then I debate and relay my opinions ....

I speak from the heart, and if people disagree with me, then so be it ... but I never claim to be better than anyone else ....

I do however always back up my claims with links as to how I got my opinions

thats what forums are about .... expressing personal opinions

 

My Brother in Law's PhD was in genetic engineering and he wont touch GM food.

 

strangely, even ants refuse to eat GM corn

 

I think you believe too much of what you read that is uncorborated.

I could make two web pages:

Glyphosate is safe to drink, in fact it improves your cholesterol in a way that in part counteracts the damage done by modern living and the increasing consumption of pre-prepared meals. Research done at the University of Amstdeen on mice has found that cholesterol drops by 50% when Glyphosate at 0.1ppm is included in their diet. Other research by scientists has found that Glyphosate locks up sugars, in a manner similar to the way that it interferes with essential chemicals in the roots of plants which makes it such an effective herbicide. The fact that Glyphosate has been in use for over 30 years means that its toxicity is well understood, unlike newer compounds.

or

Glyphosate is dangerous and should be banned. It is created by Monsanto which is just a greed driven company. They have suppressed all scientific research into its toxicity in the same way that the tobacco companies did, purely to enable sales to continue. Their greed is driving them to explore ways of interfering with nature to produce GM crops that are Glyphosate resistant which is bound to destroy the planet.


I can make all sorts of oblique references to scientists, sensational news bulletins, and the like. None of this makes it true, gullible people will just choose to believe that they want to believe, and the more sensation the more people that will believe it.

What is needed is proper peer reviewed science (yes, it is possible that Monsanto are successfully supressing contra research, but if you believe those sort of conspiracy theories then lobby your MP and get government to sponsor the tests - that would be much more likely to carry public opinion if it is truely independent)

Short of that, anything that you read making claims is just that - making claims. Proper science is published in learned journals, it has to undergo peer review before being published - i.e. other scentists have to have been able to reproduce the results independently. Scientists who attempt to publish without this process are rightly pilloried - such as Pons and Fleishman who claimed to have created nuclear fusion at room temperature (never since reproduced), and Wakefield who created a huge stir by claiming that the MMR vaccine increased the risk of Autism (which created so much panic that parents refused to have their children vaccinated and that did cause a huge increase in the threat from Mumps and I suspect that did increase the number of children dying as a result); he's since been struck off (which is a great shame as I think he was a brilliant scientist); but you can't just go blabbing your mouth off because you THINK something, or your research suggests that some thing APPEARS to be true; you need other scientists to verify and prove your theory - until then its just conjecture.

So please stop posting links to sensational articles on the web written by people with their own agenda, unless they are actually backed up by genuine citations that prove that its fact, and not just a half baked theory. There is no shortage of people on the internet who have published what they think - like my two examples above - its just junk.

 

interesting points .... however, the articles that I link to are not 'sensational/untrue' ....

it's fact that farmers are being sued by Montsanto ....

it's fact that farmers are suing Montsanto for $7.7 billion ....

it's fact that Montsanto lobby (and bribe) governments so that they don't disclose the GM ingredients in processed foods

it's fact that French farmers are trying to ban GM crops

it's fact that Poland is the first country to formally acknowledge the link between Monsanto's genetically engineered corn and the Colony Collapse Disorder

it's fact that GM foods are not served in Montsanto's own cafeterias

it's fact that Anti-GM campaigners have welcomed a decision by biotechnology giant Monsanto to pull out of the European seed cereal business

I can list hundreds of facts ....

This is a subject that I feel strongly about and I will air my views ...

This is a forum that involves gardening, so if you don't like reading what I post, then hit the back key .... no-one forces you to read or comment ....

and if you feel strongly about my views, you could always ask the moderators to remove my posts and/or you could add me to your 'ignore' list