Help Chitting Kaz find a Car Please

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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, its a heap.
    Find something local.:blue thumb:
     
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      Got to agree with the others Kaz - its a shed, and would almost definitely be a complete liability; parts aren't cheap, and they have a couple of 'stock' faults that are a right royal pain in the rear to fix (one relating to the accelerator/throttle body that can render the vehicle dangerous to drive if not fixed).

      Just a suggestion, but what about a VW Sharan which also came as a Ford Galaxy or Seat Alhambra? The 2.8L petrol is one to avoid for obvious reasons, and the automatics are best avoided as the gearboxes have been known to fall over - other than that they are fairly bomb proof, and actually drive quite well.
       
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        Fc that car is fab pity it is so far away
        shall have a look closer to home
         
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          Ford Galaxy + turbo diesel + fault = a very scary situation my dad had to deal with a few years ago. I don't fully understand it, but apparently turbo diesel engines can, in extremely rare circumstances, develop a fault that makes them run out of control, feeding off their own engine oil. This happened in my dad's street to a car owned by a neighbour. I'd have ran away once I knew everyone was clear, but apparently the car was screaming away, revving so high that flames were coming out of the exhaust. In the end he ran into the house, grabbed the nearest big knife he could lay his hands on, ran back out and cut the fuel line to bring the engine under control.

          I think, though its a bit beyond me, that unlike most turbo diesel engines that use an electric powered fuel pump so cutting the electric cuts the engine, some of the Galaxies had used a fuel pump driven off the engine itself, so in the event of a runaway caused in this case we later found out by a failed oil seal in the turbo, the engine was just feeding itself, and of course diesels don't use spark ignition, as long as they have fuel and compression they'll just keeping going, and the more pressure in the exhaust, the more pressure in the turbo, and the more revs until it just goes mental and either blows its head, runs its self out, or catches fire.
           
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          Never driven a turbo, petrol or diesel.
          But the choice is getting limited thanks to the eco bunch and the EU.
           
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          Actually the eco bunch and the EU are making it more likely that you'll end up driving a turbo one day. As manufacturers come under increasing pressure to improve fuel efficiency, they are increasingly going for smaller, lighter engines, and then making up the power by adding a turbo. This 'eco drive' is also pushing some cool innovations. Volvo recently patented a new turbo design where the turbo actually fits in the exhaust manifold directly, significantly reducing the amount of pipework needed, thus reducing weight, improving efficiency, and reducing the awful 'turbo lag' that many of us will have noticed (the idea that you give it some throttle, but the engine doesn't respond until a couple of seconds later while it waits for the turbo to get up to speed).
           
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          Have a look on Autotrader or ebay and keep an eye open for one cropping up nearer to you - you will probably find the Seat Alhambra versions are the cheapest (or the newest for the same price), simply because the Seat badge is slightly less well known - they are all the same car under the skin.

          As far as the engine choice goes, the 1.9TDI in either 110, 115 or 130 guise are all the best bets - you'll know a 130 by the red TDI badge on the bootlid, but they are not that common. Don't be too put off by high mileages - these engines are capable of intergalactic mileages without problems if serviced regularly; 250,000 miles is not unusual for them - just drive it and see that its got decent grunt and that it all works without nasty noises.

          Another car to consider, if the MPV style isn't a must, would be the Skoda Octavia Estate - - cracking value, especially in the 1.9TDI form, virtually bulletproof and remarkably robust.
           
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          Modern turbo cars are remarkably good, both petrol and diesel.

          My preference is now for diesel, simply because you get a lot more grunt from them than you would from the equivalent petrol, and yet you still get decent economy.

          I had a Citroen Xantia turbo diesel years ago, and back then it was a peach of an engine - went like stink and gave good fuel economy (shame the rest of the car was a disaster), however it was not a patch on the TDI that I have in my Passat nowadays.

          My particular engine is a tad fraught with problems - basically, they uprated a 1.9 in a bit of a hurry to make it go faster whilst being even cleaner, and the net result is an engine that is so highly strung its not real. I intend to part company with mine in the next 12-18 months hopefully before any big bills come, but despite the reliability worries with it, I love how it drives - the words 'stabbed rat' often spring to mind.
           
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          I recently looked at replacing my Ford petrol 3.0ltr with a 1.6ltr turbo, petrol,( most diesels still sound like a few spanners are ratting around under the bonnet.)
          Unless of course you can afford the top end.

          The fuel consumption was almost the same if you give it a bit of wellie, but the power output was down according to the write ups.
          And this is improvements? :snork:
           
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            Its worse than that. Your 3 litre engine will deliver its power at a lower RPM than the smaller turbo, so less wear, meaning the engine will live longer, and therefore wont be going to the scrap yard so soon with all the un-eco implications that go with disposing of an old car.

            Also, while a turbo will add a lot of wellie at the top end of the revs, they are largely pointless at the lower end of the revs, no torque to speak of when pulling away under load, whereas the larger engine will have lots of torque at the bottom end.

            I think the manufacturers will get it right though now they are being pushed. Not so many years ago you'd never have found a diesel engine in a luxury car just because they were too noisy and smelly and rattly. Turbo lag will soon be a thing of the past as the technology is being pushed.
             
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              Kaz, we have a Ford Galaxy (same as the SEAT Alhambra and the VW Sharan), the good points are that it has loads of space, 7 decent proper seats and is nice to drive even though it's an auto. It's a 2.3 petrol rather than diesel. It has been very reliable over the years. When you take the rear 5 seats out it's enormous for lugging stuff around, you can fit a double bed in there. The bad points are poor mpg, only about 20mpg around town. We had the 2.8 before that which was great fun but even worse mpg. Other bad things are the seats are heavy, Mrs JWK can't manage to get them out on her own.

              Look on autotrader, there will be loads of them around and dirt cheap when they get a few miles on the clock. There will be some local to you, best to look and test drive before you buy.

              I wouldn't go for that one on ebay as it's so far away, what if you have a problem with it? You really need to go and see them before bidding anyway.

              Good luck in your search.
               
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              Hopefully its been driven Caerphilly:snork:

              ....I'll get me coat.
               
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                even terry missed that one :snork:
                 
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