Here is why our NHS and Local Government is utterly shafted

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  1. Kandy

    Kandy Will be glad to see the sun again soon.....

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    His degree is in Mechanical Engineering @"M" and he works in a job to do with racing cars i.e. Grand Prix:snorky:

    Never watch Jeremy Kyle myself so am I missing much?:snorky:
     
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      I caught my sons watching it one school holiday morning. Saw 5 minutes worth with them (and they were almost rolling on the floor in laughter!) and reminded them that it was not an example on how to live; more evidence on how *not* to live!! ;)
      In my opinion (admittedly based on a 5 minute endurance test) it is trash TV, at its very worst, and not worth the cost of the electricity needed to watch it by!
       
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        I think my main grumble regarding my local recycling centre, we used to call it the tip:biggrin:) is that it's far too small to take the population.
        If you go on a Saturday be prepared to queue up for about an hour or so, it shuts at 4.30 all the week.
        I have no problem with the workers wanting their free time but they are supposed to be a service to the public???
        Is it not beyond those clever people that work for the council to come up with some kind of rota that keeps the place open after office hours?
        But then again, its not the council running it, its a contractor, but surely pressure could be brought to bear if they just got their finger out.

        Fly tipping is rife and the council seem to spend thousands on sorting it out.
        Maybe, if they just did a bit of wrist twisting at the tip, some at least would stop and they could just spend time on the blatant bunch that do it whatever.
         
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          Jeremy Kyle should be a comedian.
          He makes me laugh, nothing on that show is believable.
           
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            Oh, you spoilt sport!!! :slaphead:

            There I was convinced that Jeremy Kyle *believes* in himself, and his advice, fervently!
             
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              Our council is currently balloting to be allowed to raise the council tax by 16% this year - yeah, coz everyone will find it easy to come up with an extra £260 quid a year just like that!
               
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              Did someone make a typo and forget the . ?

              There would be riots if councils were permitted to raise it by that amount in one hit!! :thud:
               
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              Actually, that would be council tax suicide. A rise like that would push even more people into the bracket of needing a discounted council tax (less revenue) and push others further into the non-payment bracket (less revenue). It doesn't make sense!
               
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              No, sadly not - hence the ballot, as they are not allowed to raise it by so much without a ballot. Of course, the people they are balloting are Councillors........

              And still the streetlights that I reported as faulty over a year ago (12 consecutive standards), or the two collapsed drains that cause severe flooding at a local road junction whenever it rains that I have been reporting for the past 6 years remain unfixed.

              UK PLC has turned into a vacuum that simply sucks money off the likes of you and I and pays it to the shareholders of contract companies.
               
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                Surrey County Council - Philip Hammond's council no less! You couldn't make it up
                 
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                Ask them whether they all come under the 'Dimming and Trimming' that councils are allowed and are they listed as such on their Statutory Asset Register for the UK Power Network Audit.
                 
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                Oh, and the thing about the tip - my gripe was not about trade vehicles not being allowed to empty at the tip, but household cars. I am allowed 1 bag of certain types of waste per day, and thereafter it is £4-odd a bag or £50 a car load. The laws of nature will dictate that there are those in our society that simply will not pay this, not least because they have (theoretically) already paid for it, but also because they may well be struggling financially. £50 to dispose of waste, or feed your family for a week? No-brainer really.
                 
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                  They don't - there is some sort of running battle as to who is responsible for them, as well as a set of nearby traffic signals and a large section of crash barrier that were obliterated in a major smash months ago.

                  Years ago, TfL took control of the traffic lights only because they wanted to control traffic flows into London; the Highways Agency was forced to turn over some of the other roads to the County Council, but the Council are now debating who is responsible for a roundabout that sits at a TfL/Surrey crossover point :noidea:

                  TfL are no better - on one of their trunk roads there is a load of brand new LED streetlights that are not working; I have reported them a few times, but still nothing.
                   
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                  No. But I'd vote for a total rethink of our seriously broken 'system'. Not just council tax.

                  I think in Britain at least we pay for a lot of things multiple times. If only the whole set of resources, both private and public, could be viewed as one set of assets, and deployed accordingly.

                  I remember a few years ago when we got two harsh winters in a row. Local authorities got the snow ploughs out but simply, there weren't enough to keep the roads clear. Round here a local farmer took the initiative and using his own farm gear, cleared the roads into and out of a local snowed in village. He was threatened with prosecution and ordered not to do it again. What if the government set aside funds to pay farmers to use their machinery to clear roads? It would mean we'd need a smaller fleet of actual snow ploughs.

                  Or on health, what if the government actually worked with private promoters of healthy activities? What if SUSTRANS actually worked because the government gave enough freedom to those that know what they're doing to make it happen, thus not only promoting health by getting more people active, reducing the NHS bill, but also cutting road use.

                  Social care is a biggy in my opinion. It frustrates me that it's even an issue. I know some people need professional care, but how many more just need somewhere to go to meet people twice a week, or a family member or friend to pop round? Surely costs could be reduced by organising more local get togethers. Not only would that help people who are still fairly independent but getting a bit towards needing others, but it would create opportunity for those people to make new friends, who might become really friends, and help them at home more when they need it.

                  I'm sure there are lots of ways to make Britain better and cheaper, if only a bunch of people more clever than I were to get their heads together and think and talk, rather than departmentalising everything.
                   
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