Here is why our NHS and Local Government is utterly shafted

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    All street lights have to be registered under the Statutory Asset Register so the Register will have the last authority to be registered.

    Street lights are not charged for the electricity they use as there is no way to meter them. So they get listed on the Register and are charged for on a per capita (streetlight) basis under the UK Power Network Audit. So someone is being charged for them. The only way not to pay is to have them removed from the Register, for Audit purposes, under the Trimming and Dimming legislation. This allows authorities to state that they are dimming or trimming (switching them off) and for them to be temporarily removed from being charged for.

    If the last authority to be registered was your council then they will be being charged whether they think they are theirs or not. So the residents will be paying for it. It's actually an offence for the council not to register a light that is out if it's not repaired within a fairly short period of time. I think the maximum is three months but less if it is reported. This allows for them to be spotted on the infrequent checks that they should make.

    They can argue amongst themselves who should be responsible but the lights are registered to one of them and should be able to be checked.
     
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      I thought that was what happened anyway, been a while since it was necessary but the farmers aways get out there, with their tractors to keep the lanes open.

      I got a mate who's brother is in quite a high position on the KCC, he tells me their biggest drain is always care for the elderly, and you cant get a bus pass down here until you are 66 at the moment.
      Its about having more places to put old folk, so they are not bed blocking.
      Rules on nursing homes have been tightened up recently, rightly too, but how many have been shut down?
       
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      Half the problem stems from social mobility. In many cases, these elderly people no longer have any family around to pop in and many of their friends are either deceased, in a nursing home or equally stagnant in their own homes/world.

      You now have the "sandwich" generation (not a term I coined, I hasten to add). People who start out on the career ladder, marry later, have children later and then find they are trying to juggle their full time work, adolescent children and aging parents. I've lost count of the occasions where I have heard people complain that they simply have no "time" (and that is for social activities, let alone in a "caring" capacity).

      So, then we have charitable organisations who try to fill the gap. But, when pennies get tight on the home front, less goes into the donations box and less help is available from that direction too.

      It's a vicious circle which desperately needs addressing.
       
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        Council run homes having been closing down for decades in favour of privately run homes. In recent years there have been a good number of privately run homes which have been closed down for not coming up to standard.
         
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          Also, a lot of privately run homes have closed down because of increased legislation (paperwork) but mainly because the councils won't pay them the going rate for the job. The homes are unable to make a living for themselves if the council residents in their beds are being paid for sufficiently. Some councils just say they can't afford more and the homes should charge more to their private residents to make up for it. :wallbanging:

          That's why a lot of homes are now only for private residents and won't take council residents.
           
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            Exactly - we can't afford Social Care, but we can afford less of it plus a profit for the greedy bar-stewards signing the contracts.

            Some things should NEVER have been privatised.
             
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              Sad fact is, we all might end up in that position:sad:

              If we are lucky, or perhaps not so lucky.
               
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                Well - the Council I work for has had it's budget reduced by 40% so far - only another 2 years of budget cuts and we'll be home and dry.

                NHS England developing 'Sustainability Transformation Plans' - the purpose of which is to reduce NHS spend by cutting local NHS services - hospitals are constantly overspending due to the demands placed on them.
                If another politician tells me they are 'protecting' the NHS budget - I'll go loopy :runforhills:.

                A couple of real stories from my career in local government - to lighten the tone a little:

                - member of the public 'phones up the refuse collection department - complaining that a bag has been left on the pavement outside their house. A bin lorry is diverted from it's round to collect said bag. They arrive to find out that it is indeed a bag, a tea bag. The member of the public queries why a lorry has turned up to remove a tea bag - what a numpty.

                - guy has been placed in band D - for his council tax. He complains as on the other side of his garden hedge is a massive power pylon - he should not have to pay the same as the other bungalows in his street who are not directly behind the tower and enjoy uninterrupted views of the countryside. Council arrive and agree - he can see the tower - but also has a good view of the countryside - his bungalow increases to band E along with all the other bungalows on that side of the road. I suspect he was not 'popular' :gaah: when his neighbours found out why their council tax had increased - I believe he was also asked if he had any other issues he would like investigating - he didn't.:spinning:
                 
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                  And the even older generation problem. We're friendly with quite a lot of people who are in their nineties. Fortunately most of them are still active, sort of. :snork: When they are in the possible situation of needing care their children will be in their seventies (if they have children) and they would be totally unable to take care of them. So the old extended family situation no longer applies. The State needs to be prepared for this to become more prevalent.
                   
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                    That used to be the case - nowadays the cost of electricty for street lights is calculated by using the wattage of the lamp (many councils are moving to led) and the hours of daylight as measured by an array of solar panels at a suitable location.

                    We know how long the lights are on and with the wattage can calculate how much energy has been used. The idea being that the lights turn on and off at the same time as the solar array - not perfect by any means.

                    Council's purchase energy as a collective - and we buy 'blocks' of energy when they are considered to be 'cheap' to use later - we ask all the major suppliers to tender to provide our energy needs - the price we pay for energy is as low as it going to get. Council's aren't as 'wasteful' as the media would lead the public to believe.

                    I remember when Eric Pickles was the head honcho looking after Local Government - Council's took the majority of the departmental austerity cuts - he also suggested that Council's stop serving mineral water at Council meetings and purchase collectively - to help with the savage budget cuts. I have nothing to say about this :oops:
                     
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                    That may be the case now. I don't know. But I know this. A few years ago our local council pleaded skint and announced cuts to services (way before the current cuts). Then the Icelandic banks failed. Suddenly our local council screamed about the many millions of quid it had lost as a result. Which begs the question. If they were really that skint back then, how come they didn't draw on their Icelandic investment before the banks failed?
                     
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                      Yes, quite correct :dbgrtmb: but that is predicated on the amount of street lights registered to the council as per the Statutory Asset Register. If the lights are not working and the Register hasn't been notified then the Council will be charged for electricity they aren't using. Something that would not sit right under the Audit as it may point up other similar problems

                      Even in the old days it was purely a good estimate and currently it's a better estimate of how much should be used. It can't take into account broken ones that have not been recorded as such on the Register. So the last body that the broken lights are registered to will be paying. Unless, of course, they have notified the Register - in which case they acknowledge the fault and must correct it within a set period.

                      In 2015 some residents asked me if I knew how they could get the council to fix just one light that was a in strategic safety position. They had been requesting the council, for a year, about fixing - it with various results. Apparently they had been told 'yes, we'll fix it' all the way through to 'it doesn't belong to us'. They were talking about going to the media and kicking up a fuss on social media. I always think that this is a last resort and shouldn't be used unless all else fails. So I made 'discrete enquiries' ;) of some of the engineers in the lighting department who said that they knew it was their responsibility but the job sheet never comes through.

                      So, after some checking of regulations, I decided on a friendly behind the scenes - but official - solution. The authority is a very large District Council and housed in the same building as the Town Council. My usual solution is to have a word with a senior officer who doesn't know what's going on (and not expected to, as jobs like that are expected to be done properly). Unfortunately I didn't know a relevant officer (comes with being out of things for quite a while :old: :snork:) but did know the Mayor of the town (it's 20 miles from me) and told him the story and I said that the residents are thinking of going down the FOI route (didn't mention media). He chatted to someone in the District Council who got the matter resolved quite quickly. :noidea:
                       
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                        That's right, a farmer can't clear snow because the road tax is for agri use only (£0 and red diesel) but he can clear snow and be payed if the goverment issue an exemption and then they have to have the right snow plough, using a tractor and loader with a big grain/muck bucket can damage the road surface
                         
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                          Our council never clear our road as a priority but the farmer always wants his workers to be able to get to work. So, after one day of it not being cleared, he always clears the road up to the village. He uses his old sugar beet shovel (not a grab) on the front of his tractor. They send him the usual letter telling him he shouldn't do it and he ignores it, as usual. The chief of the road department on the farmer then have a pint down the pub. :heehee:

                          The only time there was any problem was when the council workers union complained to the farmer that he was taking overtime away from their men. I can print his response here. :rasp:
                           
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                            Yes, there's lots of rules and lots of rules are overlooked untill there's a prolem and who's going to pay,
                            We've had the same, there's a weight limit in a village(7.5 tonne) and some farmers would drive through it, they got warned about it and they carryed on, then some more farmers started going through and building started to get damage, so now council, highways and police have stoped them :snorky:
                             
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