is communisim bad?

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    The book I read was called 180 hours with Castro. A one on one series of interviews made into a book. When I finished reading it I thought wow fidel Castro is one seriously great guy and so is communisim and the west are evil??
    Maybe I should read George bushs book to put things into perspective?? Or is it true what Castro says about us??
     
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    Think of communism like being in prison, everyone is the same and you'll do as you are told!!!!!:loll::loll:

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      In Communism what usually happens is that the saying "Everybody is equal, but some are more equal than others" does come true:D:heehee:
       
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        The idea is sound, but. So far, amongst we humans. Everytime it`s been tried it has been run by despots, and NOT the "people".:thumbsup:
         
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        Communism does work well when human greed is removed and it was a really good idea (in principle)

        in rural areas of Africa, communism is (and has been practised) for hundreds of years

        you are part of the tribe .... everyone has a home that looks the same .... everyone wears the same clothes, and everyone shares the land equally

        everyone eats the same food and everyone 'chips in' as best they can to keep the community flourishing ....

        the strong go hunting .... the weaker tend to the livestock, and the weakest are tended to, and cared for by members of the tribe

        happens the same in the Brazil jungles etc
         
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          I guess it all depends on how you interpret "Communism". I think what dim's African tribes were and are practising is a form of Socialism, not Communism, and some people have a problem differentiating between the two.

          Europe is supposed to be Democratic but it's recent past and present plans for the future of the Organisation are looking less and less democratic and, in a way, is working towards a parallel sort of "Communism" i.e: One State [person} having, in reality, authority and power over a lot of other States [persons].:D
           
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            What's the difference between socialism and communism then?
            Nazi Germany was socialist but Russia was communist what's the difference??
             
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            I think Dim has got it right. True communism is about the community working as one unit for the welfare of the community. There has to be a leader, but even that leader works, totally, for the community.:thumbsup:
             
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            What's wrong with that? :heehee:
             
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              But's that's one of the problems. True Communism only exists in peoples minds, and the Communism that gets practised by Humans becomes distorted, mutated by greed, the need for power etc, by the leader.
               
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              So does capatalism though, it seems to me there is no difference?
               
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                Capitalism is Communism behind the facade of Democracy.:D:dbgrtmb:
                 
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                That's my point, Hydro:D None of the systems advocated, by whoever, actually work because as Humans we are unable to adhere to the purity of the Ideal. Corruption, need for power and just down right selfishness always corrodes the intellectual idea, 'cos we are what we are.:stirpot::mad::D
                 
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                  Isn't that just a different take on the Eton wallies running this country saying that "we're all
                  in this together"!!!!

                  Hydrogen - the Nazi's started off as a socialist party, but "lost their way" and became obsessed with facism (in truth, they were only really a reaction against communism which was gaining popularity in post WW1 Germany). But when Hitler rose to be their leader the Nazi Party became a totalitarian organisation and we all know the rest.

                  Totalitarianism is what I would describe as the difference between socialism (not totalitarian) and communism (which basically is). In communist ideals, the state should be classless and the individual without property and money (save for what they NEED to survive). However, this is only possible by extinguishing mans natural greed, so the state has to be totalitarian (controlling every aspect of the citizens lives and thinking).

                  Socialism and capitalism on the other hand are more of an economic philosophy, and the only way that socialism (my preferred way of thinking) can operate is by embracing pragmatism.

                  And that is as close to politics as I will go on a forum!
                   
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                    No one has mentioned Georgism yet.
                     
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