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  1. ARMANDII

    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    As you know, Freddy, Admin try keep a light rein and rarely comment in any thread, other than in a member's capacity, so that we too can join in and enjoy the threads and posts. However, in this case a post was reported by a member and therefore there was the beginnings of a loss of integrity in the thread.
    It is difficult for GC Admin to comment on such an emotive, divisive subject and it is only when we believe there is a danger of offence that we will do so. Hopefully, when we do so it's in a manner that is neutral, unoffensive, and doesn't interfere with the original intention of the Thread, or give the impression of censorship and loss of freedom of speech
     
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      Good evening Armandll wise words my friend and nicely put:blue thumb::smile:
       
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      • pete

        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        Ok, hands up, I guess it was me.
        I usually mention something out of line.
         
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        • westwales

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          I like the footnote Loofah uses:

          "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept" - Lt Gen. David Morrison

          No, we don't know all of the ins and outs and none of us has a solution. We might put our collective feet in it and risk causing offence but as Armandii has said, Admin are about maintaining freedom of speech and in my view we must be willing to question as I think Pete, most of your comments have. So much conflict in the world has continued because people did walk past, didn't question or were afraid to say "No, this is wrong". We must try to stay aware of this situation even when the next news headline takes its place because it is governments and leaders backing off that will ensure that no solution is ever tried for.
           
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          • ARMANDII

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            Don't be so eager to jump into the Spotlight, Pete......unless you can sing and dance like Gene Kelly?!:yahoo::heehee::loll::lunapic 130165696578242 5:
             
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            • westwales

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              Oh Armandii, wouldn't we like to be singing and dancing in the rain for just a short period....my garden would love it!
               
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                Well said. :blue thumb:

                But we still must take care not to give offence because we are a gardening forum and not a political forum. Admin do a very good job and I thank them :love30:

                “First they came for the communists,
                and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
                Then they came for the socialists,
                and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
                Then they came for the unionists,
                and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
                Then they came for the Jews,
                and I didn't speak out because I was not a Jew.
                Then they came for the Catholics,
                and I didn't speak out because I was not a Catholic.
                Then they came for me,
                and there was no one left to speak for me.”

                - Martin Niemoller
                 
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                • pete

                  pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                  I never dance in the rain, I hate the stuff.:smile:
                  Its just something we cant do without, and so have to put up with.
                   
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                  • Freddy

                    Freddy Miserable git, well known for it

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                    Don't worry Pete. As Bruce Forsyth would say, "You're still my favourite" :biggrin:
                     
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                    • ARMANDII

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                      Oh, Pete, you've never danced in the warm rain on a dark warm night with a beautiful woman?:dunno::doh::wub2: I have............my wife.:wub2: Those kinds of things stay with you forever and while you're dancing there's no hate in the world!!!:yes::snork:
                       
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                        History has told us you're too smart for that, Shiney.:dunno::coffee:
                         
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                          It is all just to depressing, I just do not watch the news any more, The big telly was just a waste of money, unless its a gardening program even the comedians arn't funny, Dragons den often has a few laughs tho, Think I might take up reading again :sofa:.
                           
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                          I'm pleased there's an 'embarrassed' smilie :redface: :redface: :heehee:


                          Talking of history:-
                          The quote, above, from Neimoller is interesting because he was someone who changed his point of view completely. He was an evangelical Lutheran Protestant Pastor that was a Nationalistic antisemitic German that supported Hitler's rise to power but was opposed to the Nazi Party! :scratch: He was put in Dachau concentration camp for the duration of the war.

                          After the war he was one of the signatories of the Stuttgart Declaration of Guilt and wrote that quote - which was a reflection on what had happened to him. He became an ardent pacifist and anti-nuclear campaigner.
                           
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                            I've danced in rain and it was dark,got soaking wet and and when the security light came on it was with the hostess's husband:lunapic 130165696578242 5:

                            Pete you are my Clint Eastwood ,you call a spade a spade,I just love it:blue thumb:;)
                            Long live "tell it like it is." its a refreshing quality these days:old:;)
                             
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                              I think that I will too.
                               
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