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    Then you'd have the same situation as we have in France....the goalposts are going to be drastically moved next year to take account of the fact that EDF (other suppliers are available) are getting enormous input from private individuals' PV systems during the day. Where we now get cheap-rate (not very!) at night, it will be changed to daytime. So...all those who have invested considerable amounts and based that investment on juggling their own production and overnight cheap-rate lose out. As the French government slap 3 separate taxes on 'leccy bills, as well as VAT, it's not in their interests that ordinary folk reduce their reliance on the grid :sad:
     
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      I just wonder if there will come a day where the sunlight that falls on your roof is not yours to use, it will all belong to The Crown.
      A bit like if you strike oil on your land its not yours, or dig up diamonds or gold.
       
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        Well, they are already applying taxation to the air.
         
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          It won't belong to the Crown, but the Labour Party.
           
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            Now that Labour is to get rid of the inherited titled Lords, because they say such people don't know anything about running the country (but hey, they know a thing or two about running an estate, which is a darn sight more than most of the elected MPs do), this country will lose its historic appeal to tourists.
            No, I'm NOT one of the gentry by a long shot, but I do not want this country to become a communist state, where everyone is supposedly equal, but where anyone in parliament thinks they are more important and more knowledgeable than us ordinary folk.
            This country earned its respect through what the gentry did. Without the Lords, parliament will fast track laws that give them similar powers as the US president. Something I do not wish to see, no matter which party is in power.
             
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              I thought the idea was to weed out the old crusty element, still have a second house but filled with elected people, and not just mates of long departed PMs and the ones whose dad was a nice bloke.
               
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                The only snag with electing them is that you end up with two lots of self-seeking, self-serving b******s instead of one lot ;)
                 
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                  Yes, but given the type of people who get elected to the Commons, the country will get more of the people who know very little, but are just popular!! At least the unelected house is full of people with many years of experience, having sat through Labour and Conservative parliaments, and most have decades of experience - something you cannot say about the new Labour government, who have been elected on a promise - which will not be kept.
                  Time to commit suicide, before the Labour party destroys the country over the next five years (although they could probably do it in five weeks).
                   
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                    Should've elected me as PM. We'd be potless and in the gutter by the end of the year but it would be one hell of a ride :biggrin:
                     
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                      Obviously referring to the likes of Mrs. Mone and similar barons and baronesses, lords ladies and aristocracy who seem to have sprung up out of the woodwork of the House of Lords.

                      And other weirdos appointed by failed Prime Ministers, jobs for the boys and girls and all that.

                      And then there are the ones who just turn up for the daily allowance, and the afternoon doze.:biggrin:
                       
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                        Yeah Boris tried that, they should have never cut him down from that zip wire.:biggrin:
                         
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                          The old saying about a landowner/house owner held title to the heavens above and the land beneath is thought to have come from the Latin:-

                          "Cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos" and was said to apply – meaning whoever owns the soil owns everything up to the heavens and down to the depths of the earth.

                          That doesn't really apply but has some validation. It is now regarded that you own up to 50ft above your land, except in certain circumstances, and you own the land beneath your land but the Crown owns the mineral rights - with some exceptions.

                          There was an interesting case and appeal in 2008 and 2009 over the rights to beneath the land. Bocardo (Mohamed Al Fayed) sued Star Energy for drilling in an oilfield under his land.

                          I don't think any of you want to read the appeal case
                          https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2009-0032-press-summary.pdf

                          Al F won the original case and lost the appeal in the High Court. He didn't own the oil underneath and was also suing for trespass - but they drilled diagonally from outside his land. :heehee:

                          Boring!
                           
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                            Well, as I understand it we pay more for wind energy because the late Queen's advisors decided arbitrarily that she owned the foreshore all round the coast and any energy coming across it should pay the Crown a levy.
                             
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                              Nutshell.
                               
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                                We will have to politely disagree on this. :) Most wealthy landowners are in that position because, way back in history, their ancestors chose the right side in some battle or war. Their families have enjoyed good fortune for centuries. That does not make them more worthy than anyone else. If we are respected as a country for valuing the luck of birth so highly, I don't think that is cause for celebration.

                                I would like to see elected Lords. Max - 200 members. No ex-politicians. No gongs given to mates. Max term - 10 yrs. Max age - 65. Compulsory hrs of attendance. To get in, a person could film a 10 min video making their case, ie covering their relevant work experience, etc. A selection of such videos could be send to a cross-section of 10,000 members of the public who would cast a vote. A thousand of these could be picked randomly to make the decision.
                                 
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