Latest Moan From You and Me 2024

This was Biontech run by two German/Turkish doctors who had been working on mRNA vaccines since the early 2000s. They had previously founded another company in the same field that had sold for $400 million. In Oct 2019 Bill Gates (or was it his charity?) invested (took a gamble) that mRNA vaccines were the future. Biontech then partnered with Pfizer and were able to produce a COVID vaccine that worked and profits were made. Why is that a problem? Unless you also believe that Bill Gates was working with the Chinese to develop the virus and release it world wide.

Why 2028, why not 2025, 26, or 27? Do you have special expertise or knowledge of pandemics?

 

The US and the Chinese were collaborating on gain of function tests on the Covid virus in Wuhan. These are so dangerous they are outlawed on the US mainland.

Bill Gates was running disaster scenario events with the elite re a Covid-style outbreak in 2019. So, do I think Bill Gates works with the Chinese? Well, I think their "interests" align, or at the very least have useful points of intersection. He has long openly admired them and his interest in enforced vaccination progs goes way back. Every 1$ invested in vaccine development yields $6. Immunise the global population multiple times and that is a lot of money.

2028 is my estimate. A bird flu strain that spreads very easily and has a high mortality rate can be created by altering about 6 sites within the virus. Work is underway for an effective vaccine and the UK has ordered supplies of a current version.

We will see. I think the Covid release was accidental, but gain of function tests are not. The whole point is to create something super-deadly plus, crucially, a treatment. The pandemic proved beyond all doubt that as a vehicle for increasing the wealth of the wealthy, such situations are astonishingly effective. Tragically so, from the view point of the rest of us. Covid also showed how to spread propaganda in the internet age. Social media companies employed hundreds of thousands to join forums, FB, etc, and shout down anyone not upholding the gov mantras. This effectively silenced doctors (who also lost careers and reputations), anyone harmed by the vaccine, anyone concerned about the effect on children, etc. Without balance to the "approved" information, it was easier to impose some quite ridiculous rules and to hide things that punched holes in the arguments for the measures.

You may not agree with me. But I am sure neither of us wants a world where I can't describe my views, reached after extensive reading on the subject. Some people regard Bill Gates as a great philanthropist. Others see him as evil incarnate. My view is he is a man wholly overpowered by the desire to accumulate wealth ... and that can be a dangerous thing for those caught in his wake.

 

When was this and where is it documented please.

Where is this reported?

What is your estimate based on ? Do you believe somebody will modify or is working to modify a form of avian flu? As asked earlier do you have special knowledge of the field?

Do you have evidence of this, such as internal documents from companies involved?

Please carry on to hold your views and publicise them; I wouldn't want to prevent that; any more than I would want to ban the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons from trying to convince me that their version of Christianity is more valid than any other.
As for Bill Gates from what I can see his philanthropy probably does more good than harm and he is a lot less dangerous than Elon Musk.

If you haven't already seen this you might like to read The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org

 

All of these things have been documented in books I have been reading. All the books have been readily available from the library, though I don't have copies to hand to quote from. I have no specialist knowledge in the field.

Elon Musk has a different type of influence with a different audience, but I'd agree he can cause problems at scale too.

 

It's well known that a number of countries have produced various viral diseases/toxins over the years - usually in "Top Secret" laboratories - and I suspect we will never get to know the half of it.
For the US to claim something is so dangerous that they have outlawed it made me smile - Vietnam is still within living memory.
Can you recall any of the authors of the books you mention @ViewAhead if not the titles ? Could prove helpful to others

 

The impurities in Agent Orange are still causing problems in Vietnam and among American veterans and around sites of manufacture and storage.

 

I will see how far back by library loan history goes.

It may be that my reading has made me unduly pessimistic. Or it may be I have barely scraped the surface of what is known. Time will tell.

I would love to believe we are not going to go through another pandemic in my lifetime. I would love to believe lockdowns won't be harsher, vaccine passports won't be imposed, the media won't suppress info to ramp up fear, and so on. But ...

 

Pessimism is a far more likely sentiment than Optimism for the majority of people worldwide I think.

 

Some books I've read ...

The Indoctrinated Brain (Michael Nehls, Naomi Wolf) 2023
The Accountability Deficit (Molly Kingsley, Arabella Skinner, Ben Kingsley) 2023 - excellent! Focus is on UK gov decisions and actions.
Broken Code (Jeff Horwitz) 2023 - about Facebook, not Covid, but very revealing.
Surveillance Valley (Yasha Levine) 2019
Controligarchs (Seamus Bruner, Peter Schweizer) 2023 - a bit of a rightwing rant in places, but some interesting, referenced stuff.
The Fifth Risk - Undoing Democracy (Michael Lewis) 2018 - about the handover to Trump in 2016. Not Covid related but an insight into US gov and how fragile continuity between administrations can be.
Psychology of Totalitarianism (Mattias Desmet) 2022 - had I read this before the pandemic, I would have found it interesting; reading it after was a revelation on how the situation was "used".
Virus Mania (Torsten Engelbretcht, Koehnlein Claus, Samantha Bailey) 2021 - translated from German. A bit of a slog in places, but interesting to hear what was happening there.
Snake Oil - How Xi Jinping Shut Down The World (Michael P Senger) 2021 - a short book, but fascinating.
The Real Anthony Fauci - Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the global war on democracy and public health (Robert Kennedy) 2022 - again, a bit of a slog and Kennedy has some well-known anti-vax views. However, factor that in as you read and there is a lot of very well referenced info.
Age of Suveillance Capitalism (Shoshana Zuboff) 2019
Sick Money (Billy Kenbar) 2022 - Big Pharma expose.
The New Confessions of an Economic Hitman (John Perkins) 2016 - not Covid related, but an insight into some appalling American foreign policy interventions across the world since the 1960s.
A State of Fear: how the UK gov weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic (Laura Dodsworth) 2021 - excellent stats.

And something I would like to read but the library is unable to buy it, I won't get it from Amazon for ethical reasons, and I can't afford the copies on eBay -
Canary In A Covid World - How propaganda and censorship changed our world (articles by doctors and medics) 2023

 

Maybe, one day in the distant future the blood suckers stuffing their pockets might finish the covid enquiry.
And we will be none the wiser.

 

I don't really understand gov reluctance to pay out compensation, eg to the PO people wrongly charged and convicted. It's not like they have to take it out of their own pockets, so why all the delay and obstruction? They use tax payers' money on all sorts of far less worthy stuff with seeming abandon. Once a case is made that compensation is warranted, and this is accepted, just get on with it!

 

I think in some cases people are not prepared to take what they are offering, so it all gets drawn out.
But I do agree, government are hoping they die first.