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  1. JWK

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    Perhaps they can sort out their own family first when it comes to abuse, Andrew springs to mind.
     
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      Glass houses and all that! ;)
       
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        Well, I’m no royalist, but if they can help one person each, it’s a plus in my eyes.
         
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          I agree @Tidemark - I don't like her, don't like him [that ridiculous situation of earning money from the NHS with parked ambulances is despicable IMO] but if she highlights the situation and something happens because of that, then fair play to her.
          If you've been in the situation, then you'd welcome anything. I know that from personal experience. I'm one of the lucky ones who got away instead of being carried out in a box.
           
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            I'm not in favour of homelessness and domestic abuse, obviously. I'm just against those who are part of the problem pretending they have the answers. Both are a symptom of a stressed, unequal society, caused in large part by the siphoning off of wealth by the wealthy, with William right up there doing just that. And Camilla casts around for things to align herself too that will make her look caring. Domestic abuse is in the headlines ... so she grabs onto that.
             
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              William is simply continuing involvement in the work his mother supported. What's wrong with that?
               
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                The royals have always been "head" of certain societies, it's their way of trying to give their role a purpose, seeing as the monarchy no longer runs the country.

                Then they have their ceremonial positions in the services, all part of tradition.

                You could argue that we should abolish them, but seeing as they are not, it's not a bad idea if they raise awareness to certain problems in society.
                 
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                  So, William has pledged to end homelessness. The first qu from the press at this announcement should be "Really? How?". William has no route to do this. It is simply words, designed to big up his image, and if Diana can be dragged back into the public consciousness, all the better given her popularity and reputation for empathy. Now, if he said "I align myself with the efforts to combat homelessness, though obviously I would stop short of actually making a monetary contribution myself or adapting my profligate lifestyle in any way", I could accept that.

                  Similarly, Camilla is going to put a stop to domestic abuse. Really? How? Now, it is no coincidence there is currently a campaign, run by the Independent newspaper, I think, to combat domestic abuse. So, Camilla casts around for something with good photo ops ... and, lo! Again, if she just said she supports efforts to reduce violence in the home, I could live with that.

                  William recently presented the Earth Shot prizes, and was praised to the skies by the media for doing his bit to save the world by ... wait for it ... wearing a vintage jacket!

                  To misquote Boris, donnez moi un favour!
                   
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                    How many politicians have pledged to end homelessness or domestic abuse.

                    The truth is you can at best reduce homelessness and really achieve nothing regarding domestic abuse.

                    You can only really help those affected.
                     
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                      Why take any announcement such as this literally? I just took it as a pledge to do his utmost towards ending homelessness
                       
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                        Because the announcement is being used for personal promotion. Why not just work behind the scenes, actually doing something. Take in a homeless person, without using this as a means to shine your image. Give up some of your income sources than impoverish society, without advertising this largesse. And so on.

                        Those at the top spout words all the time, but nothing comes of these. They should be brought to task over this. If they make a big, splashy media presentation, it should be backed by an actual thought-through, costed plan. A vague "I'm going to solve this", followed by sycophantic media applause, is not good enough.
                         
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                          I see Rachel Reeves is going to make the biggest changes to pensions in decades. Like many here I have suffered and still do from the incessant government meddling with pensions. Gordon **** Brown was the main culprit in my experience my plans totally ruined by his tax grabs. This latest crazy plan to pool all the council's pensions fund so the government can get its dirty mitts in there will be a disaster. Us tax payers will have to fork out when it goes wrong, and it will go wrong. How can politicians meddle with something they know nothing about and don't they learn from past mistakes? Rhetorical question by the way.
                           
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                            Eggs and one basket come to mind…
                             
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                              Homelessness will never be eliminated because some people are unwilling/unable to abide by the rules set down even for temporary accommodation. Others just don't want permanent accommodation. I acknowledge that both groups are minorities, but it doesn't change the fact that it is an unachievable goal.
                               
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                                That's true ... so either William doesn't know enough about the topic to understand this, or he doesn't want to let reality get in the way of fine words on the matter.

                                Agree with you re pensions, @JWK. Gov meddling has never had a successful outcome there.
                                 
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