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  1. ViewAhead

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    We can only vote from the available choice.

    @Fat Controller, I don't think passive resistance would work. The gov can bring in emergency powers. In the digital age, they can freeze bank accounts and deny access to vital services. If you have a smart meter, they could possibly even deprive you of utilities. Mass protests across the world (the Arab Spring, the truckers in Canada, etc) have not succeeded in the medium or long term.

    @shiney, Band H is way too vast, covering properties worth £1.5 million (say a town house in Richmond) to the most expensive house in the land. But suggest a rethink and the media explodes in apoplexy about the politics of envy and mansion taxes and hurting homeowners who are cash-poor, etc, etc. So the discussion never gets off the ground.
     
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    We have friends in Ealing - small Victorian terraced house extended up into the attic but still a third the size of ours here with a garden the size of our terrace - and it's now worth over a million because of crossrail. Doesn't have to be a mansion to be in band H but yes, rates should be based on income/wealth as well as house size in places like London where house prices are just ridiculous.

    Rates here are based on rental value which seems a fairer way as it's income and market based.
     
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      I really "feel" for those people living in Richmond in a £1.5 million house.

      If I had a £1.5 million house you wouldn't find me in Richmond :biggrin:
      Not for long anyway.
       
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        I'd have a small house with a bit of land, and work a few hours a week. £1.5m would solve about 98% of life's bothers for us.
         
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          Which is why all the countryside has disappeared under houses around here, they are selling up and not buying small houses but big ones, but they dont get any garden, and most from London dont want garden anyway.

          Even the signs say" your new home in the countryside", well it used to be.
           
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            @ViewAhead

            I don't disagree about the bandwidth of H being too wide but the problem of the diverse value of property doesn't bring most 3 bedroom townhouses into the same bracket as a 20 bed mansion except in possible extreme circumstances. Most three bed houses in 1991 were unlikely to have been in the £320,000+ bracket.
             
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            Most, no. My point was you can have a fairly small property in an expensive area (eg parts of the south-east) that falls into the same band as the largest mansions in the country, and that, it seems to me, is not how the system should be set up. Across the country, 3 bed properties probably fall in any band from C upwards. Where I live, these are mostly between D and G.
             
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              They can do that indeed, however do you think that would bring them success? Or would that finally open people's eyes as to what control measures have been sneaked in under the guise of 'for our own good'? Sure fire way to start a civil war, for certain.

              And yes, we can only vote for the available choices, but that does not have to be Green/Tory/SNP/Lib Dem/Labour - - it can be independent, or Monster Raving Loony Party.
               
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                I will never understand how anything within the M25 is worth a million or more.. never.
                 
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                  Those rates are set locally though, so the amount of tax paid varies wildly depending on the area you are in. Wandsworth borough, for example, are hundreds of pounds less than Richmond or even Spelthorne.
                   
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                    If a viable option was on the voting slip I would vote for it, truth is the main parties have the money and the publicity.
                     
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                      PFI - that is one of the main reasons that the NHS is on it's knees... thanks to Blair and Brown loading trusts up with PFI debt that they have ended up paying over the odds for.
                       
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                        What services would you like your local council to abandon?
                        What you gain on the pretend tax decreases is recovered in council tax. Financially, it makes little difference to you but how this council tax money is spent can be decided locally. If you vote in a local election just based on the colour of the rosette, you get what you deserve.
                         
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                        What services have they not abandoned, at least in part? The roads are knackered, schools are crumbling, local NHS services are shot, street cleansing (what's that??)

                        The tax system and even the council layouts are hugely bloated, in itself adding a massive cost burden. If we could, the whole lot needs tearing apart and a ton of cost could be saved.
                         
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                          But that thinking could be applied to all local and government run things, I'd start by sorting out the NHS and get that running efficiently, but its all a massive problem in all things.

                          Layers and layers of added on bureaucracy and things being done twice or three times, just because that's how we do it.
                           
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