Latest Moan From You and Me 2024

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    Oh there are some joke doctors. We had some geezer plonked in our surgery as duty doctor, and I had the misfortune to have to see him once. My legs had swollen up.. now I am educated, and because I'd been on a course of tablets and read the side effects etc, I knew I should get this checked out just in case. He hadn't got a clue, he actually told me, and I kid you not, "I see you're wearing flip flops, it could be that "
    I was so stunned I left, because there is nothing more to discuss with someone so ridiculous.
     
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      I was in a now rare position of being a practising clinician who was also the manager and budget holder of my department, and did an MBA part time, which helped to ensure I understood what was going on. I worked alongside a few very good full time NHS managers, and quite a few who really should not have been in the job. During my career, I saw so many reorganisations, it was like going in circles. ( the small services are inefficient, let’s combine them into bigger ones, and then bigger ones, then these bigger organisations are too unwieldy, let’s split them up into smaller ones) And each reorganisation cost a fortune. I’m glad I got out early too.
       
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        Oh I totally agree. The management is often a joke. However, the buck starts at the top, it starts with governments who have the power to at least try to improve the situation, and the fact that the NHS is still primarily used for treatment, not prevention. We do nothing about prevention, in fact governments are largely in the pocket of the very corporations that contribute to the massive health inequalities we see.

        Doctors' strikes used to be a very rare occurrence, now they are almost monthly, and have become so normalised. Something is seriously wrong.

        Yet we allow - encourage even - politicians who plaster such shameless lies onto the side of billboards, and buses, Cameron's "I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS" and the £350m quote about their commitments to the NHS, when that could not be further from the truth. Its infuriating.

        The bottom line is, those who run the NHS - the government - likely barely use it, they will mostly have private medical insurance. How then, are they supposed to understand the urgency of the situation?
         
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          Agreed @Erigeron but us Brits do tend to roll over and do everything our incompetent government dictates - have we/they forgotten they work for us, and are not our rulers?
           
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            I think we all have examples of good and bad service from doctors and the health service. Our local surgery got so bad, after being brilliant for years, that a group of locals got together and held public meetings about it.

            After many negotiations the practice got rid of their manager and replaced him and employed two more doctors. They also changed their telephone system. After that there was considerable improvement but there is still a way to go.

            It also has its own dispensary (no chemist within miles) and serves a number of villages and outlying areas. The dispensary always used to be able to dispense prescriptions in the three days that they advertised. This had become two weeks - if we were lucky.

            After the change this gradually improved but my wife has a major complaint about it. As they still can take over a week to dispense her prescriptions she started dropping the new ones in about ten days prior to the date. A logical thing to do as she was getting fed up walking to the surgery and back, nearly two miles, just to find it wasn't ready.

            Twice since then, after two weeks and her complaining about it not being ready, they told her that as she put the prescription in too early they had torn it up :wallbanging:. I shall be having a word in the ear of the practice manager.

            In half an hour I'm off to see one of the practice nurses for a totally unnecessary appointment for her to check my ears before she can make an appointment for the doctor for him to send me for a hearing test to the hospital. I had told them it would save us all a lot of time if he just makes a referral as I had had my yearly test at a local hearing centre (commercial) and told that I shall need a hearing aid and there is nothing physically obstructing my hearing. Even a telephone appointment with the nurse would have been easier as she knows me and knows that I do my research prior to any needed appointment. Thankfully a very rare occurrence.
             
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              They have - and therein lies the problem. They realised, when millions marched in London against Blair's Iraq war along with the WMD lies that they could simply ignore our wishes and carry on as they wished.
               
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                Update:- I went to the surgery to see the nurse. She was extremely prompt so I was in there on the dot. Her words:- "so you are here for me to get the wax out of your ears?" I said "No, I don't have any in my ears and I just want a referral to the audiology dept."

                She looked annoyed and said "Why are they wasting our time? I'll check your ears whilst you're here." She said that they are spotless and said she would book me in with the doctor for the morning as my time had been wasted. :doh:
                 
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                  November 2022, I was bothered slightly by an itchy lump that didn't seem to want to settle. So I requested a GP appointment. I didn't even get seen. I just got a cryptic text message that simply said 'Skin ointment issued'. It didn't say where it had been issued to or what I was supposed to do with it or anything. Bear in mind I hadn't even been seen.

                  This annoyed me. I'm glad it annoyed me. Had I not been annoyed, I would have just ignored it. But I complained. Ultimately got seen, got bounced to the specialist, who found malignant melanoma.

                  I was lucky. My combination of being annoyed at being fobbed off and having a GP that suddenly took great interest when it turned out to be serious means I'm probably ok now. But I wonder how many people just give up on the idea of being checked, and then go on to develop problems that become too advanced to resolve.
                   
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                    @Clueless 1 v2 that's shocking!

                    I had to write my own report to get an operation 3 years ago, as I'd spent weeks being passed from pillar to post by GPs and the hospital, and kept gettingtold I'd have to wait 18 months. I honestly would probably have topped myself from the pain before then.
                    I only got in because the surgeon happened to be checking the MUSKAT system and saw my report. I was in within 2 days. Tells you somet eh?
                     
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                      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                      What's a MUSKAT, sounds like a grape variety spelt wrong.;)
                       
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                        Muscoskeletal assessment. Not that they actually assess anything, they just go on apparent urgency from what the GP writes. Mine had two words written on it, twice from a GP who hadn't seen me, and once from one who hadn't bloody listened to a word I'd said.
                        My report was 4 pages long, lol!
                         
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                          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                          Yeah, I dont think I would ignore you.:biggrin:
                          Glad you got it sorted.
                           
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                          • Mrs. B.

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                            Thanks, I think! :biggrin:
                            The last thing anyone wants to do when they feel rough, is have to endlessly chase people up - I think many companies etc play on that.
                             
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                              More on the lazy doctors.

                              So thankfully all indications are I'm cancer free now. But that doesn't mean I'm right as rain. After a year of repeat hospital appointments and multiple MRI and CT scans, while they work to figure out how far the cancer got and whether I was doomed or not, I think it's fair to assume there might be a bit of stress going on. With all my fitness activities (mostly martial arts) suspended at first on the basis that's it's not a good idea to be thrown around after surgery, and then later on the basis that's there's no point (yes a bit of depression might have crept in), I put on weight and lost my fitness. So, stress, weight gain, and a reduction in activity - surprise surprise, my blood pressure has gone high.

                              So, with all my recent history readily available to the GP, you might think he might want to have a chat, discuss options, discuss strategies for addressing the underlying cause etc. In fact, the NHS website even says that's exactly what should happen. But no. Without having seen me (this is a different GP to the one that led my cancer response), he's looked at just the blood pressure results in isolation, and sent me a text message saying he's prescribed blood pressure medication.
                               
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                                Further update: After a chat with the practice manager they have put a notice on the prescription box saying don't put in any prescription if it is more than 10 days early. A sensible note.
                                 
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