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  1. noisette47

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    They would be short of money to repay bank loans, though :sad:
     
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      They would - but it wouldn't take long. I'd give it less than two weeks... three at the most. Think of the revenue that goes through the likes of Tesco, Morrisons, Costco, Sainsburys etc in a day or a week... if folks are not going in for fresh foods, and they can buy bog roll etc from the likes of Amazon, their footfall would collapse.

      Now, imagine the pressure that those same huge businesses can (and do, regularly) apply to government. Starmer's arse would be the next thing to collapse.
       
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        I just been scamed, i had to pay my TAX :sad::mad::sad: :pathd::help::gaah::coffee::pcthwack::pcthwack:
         
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        • pete

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          Personally I really don't want to see more panic buying, we had enough of that with covid.
          What do the farmers want, I know they want higher prices but they could end up pricing them selves out of business, it's already cheaper to buy apples from New Zealand and ship them halfway round the world.
          Lamb is very expensive but there are sheep everywhere.
          Admittedly pork and chicken are cheaper but the way they are reared it's not surprising.
          I know supermarkets make big profits and hammer farmers over prices, but it's called competition. It's how it works.
           
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            Let’s get rid of the big supermarkets and get back to the days of auntie Betty’s sister’s corner shop that sold uncle Fred’s chickens’ eggs and grandad John’s cabbages.

            I still remember the first “supermarket” arriving in our village. It was the size of somebody’s front room. What a shock to see help yourself introduced to shopping.
             
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              It's about the recent Labour tax hit against farmers, changing inheritance tax which will effectively put an end to family run farms. Labour's agenda is to kill them off and let big business run super factory farms which is in nobody's interest apart from the Labour elite and some outdated ideas of supporting farm workers.
               
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                You must be a cousin of mine! :loll:
                 
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                  Aside from the quantity that we lost with the freezer issue, one of the things that pee'd me off more is a lot of the stuff that was lost - for quite a while now, we've been slowly moving our custom away from supermarkets. Don't get me wrong, we still need some stuff from them and I am a fiend for yellow sticker bargains in M&S (I pop in whilst picking Mrs C up from work) as they all help when you're able to freeze stuff... but we buy quite a bit from a couple of places, one of which is a farm that also sells direct and the other is a farm shop that draws from a number of farms local to it. Yes, the meat is generally more expensive, but not massively so - the quality, however is leagues better and the net result is that we use less of it and much less gets wasted.

                  Take four relatively cheap pork loin chops - from the supermarket, that will do the three of us one meal with veg, gravy/sauce etc. That same four chops from the farms I can easily make them do two meals for the three of us.

                  More recently, we've signed back up to a milk round that also does other dairy, bakery and veg - not huge amounts, but they do eggs, cheese, yoghurts, butters, bread, potatoes, bacon, sausages etc - again, farm sourced and better quality.

                  The upside of this is that we are less and less in that hole (that the supermarkets want us in) where we are buying and then subsequently wasting, food that we don't need or won't use in time before it goes off. So we eat better, spend a bit less and waste less.

                  Price per individual item can be higher, absolutely - but break it down and add better quality in...
                   
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                    I had to phone someone this morning and they use the VOIP (internet phone thingy) well i'm not inpressed,
                    Started ringing as normal then moved to a different ring (which sounded like a demened woodpecker) then back to the normal ring, got through and the person was so quiet and was very hard to hear, got put through the the person i needed to speak to and he was just about right to hear, but in speaking there must have been some time delay as we were speaking over one another all the time :sad:

                    Well, if this is progress then they should have to have another thinking sesson, it's bleeding rubbish (i should use another word)

                    I'm think i'm in grumpy mode today
                     
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                      I've bought from farm shops and apart from veg, everything is sky high price wise and often just quirky stuff that you buy once just to try, it must be better because its expensive is the thought that goes through you head at the time.:smile:

                      There is a so called local butcher in the area but I cant say anything they sell is any different to supermarket stuff, in fact I dont like the way its presented or handled. Its all raised to modern standards so its basically the same stuff, nothing like it was years ago..But then I dont eat much meat, so its not a problem.

                      I get most of my stuff from supermarkets and I waste very little, I only buy what I want or need, i rarely buy very processed stuff and never buy ready meals or that kind of stuff, I also pretty much ignore dates on packaging if I know how its been stored, I also use my nose.:biggrin:

                      I think the choice is up to the individual, maybe if you pay more you are less likely to throw it away, I dont know.
                       
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                        Many farmers can't afford to stop supplying. They live pretty much from hand to mouth anyway. Not the big ones, but the big ones aren't the majority. If farmers blockade supermarkets they have already sold their produce.
                         
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                          Yes it does work like that but it can't continue to do so. I've seen it in practice here. The farmers quite simply throw in the towel or commit suicide because the only way for them to break even, let alone make a profit, is by being subsidised up to the hilt. Which leaves them at the mercy of bureaucrats and governments. The younger generations, understandably, don't want to know. So there simply won't be a choice between imported or home produced. That leaves any country in a vulnerable position....relying on other blocs for food, energy, water.....
                           
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                            There is definitely something major wrong with the system when farmers can make more money by not producing food than by producing it!
                             
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                              @pete I thought lamb was only expensive here and would be cheap over there because when I flew in that time, there was a dearth of farmer land full of white little "pillows" which I am sure were sheep.

                              Buying from small local businesses or farmer's markets here is more expensive than the big box store. I'll do that once in awhile but I don't feel I can afford to spend extra money just on principle.
                               
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                                They can't, but that may be the way they have to go - even if only for a short period of time.
                                 
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