lilly beetle

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  1. ARMANDII

    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    My problem with using chemical sprays to kill the Lily Beetle is that the bug killer is usually systemic and that causes problems.

    Since the chemical enters the plants tissues even down to the roots, any insect that bites, chews into the lily get a dose and dies. I thought, obviously, that's great, until I read a horticultural article that pointed out the the systemic chemical also permeates the pollen of the flowers, and any bees not only pick it up but take it back to the hive - now that can't be good!!

    So, as Spruce says, the only organic method is finger and thumb!!, but I haven't given up on finding some other effective specific organic control.

    If, this year, I find them early enough i.e: when the Lilies are still small, I'll resort to my first year method - slipping a large plastic bag over the pot, slitting the top and spraying fly killer into it - it does work killing beetles and larva, and it's a contact killer not a systemic one. But since the Beetle is active until November in my area I'll have to do several anti-beetle patrols each day when I can't use the first method.
     
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    Hi Axe, I had a look at that site about Neem oil. It's worth investigating, I think, although I'd never heard of it before:thumbsup: Over the last four years the Lily Beetle has been getting more numerous in my garden and last Autumn I changed the compost completely in both of the large pots. I think it helped to do that, but there were obviously some of the beetles that had hibernated in the soil of my borders. I've seen and killed eight this season so far, which is pretty good as usually I've killed 80 - 100 by now.:cry3: I saw and sent to heaven the 8th beetle today and it was the only one I've seen for days:yahoo:
     
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    I've seen references to Veronica (Speedwell) and Turtlehead being good for companion planting with lilies on the basis that it helps keep the beetles away. That's based on just a couple of thin anecdotes though so could be rubbish. Has anyone else tried this approach? I'm going to plant some Veronica with my lilies this year in case it works!
     
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    Companion planting is a nice idea but in the case of the Lily Beetle I really don't think it'll work/:cry3: The damned thing breeds in great numbers, is highly mobile and flies. Also you'll find that with Lilies being quite a substantial and high plant it will tower above any possible companion plants leaving the Beetle to don it's sunglasses. sit in the sun in the deckchair, having an icecream on the Lily leaf.:gaagh:
     
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    Found the little sods basking in the sun on my lilium eyeliner which is currently sitting about 30cm high with four bulbs in the pot. I only had the bulbs last year.

    At first I was fascinated to see a red beetle- it's really red!! To my horror I since discovered it's somewhat of a pest. I'm slightly worried now, as I noticed it about a week ago. No damage has been done- yet. A couple of nibbled leaves but nothing major. I went out and squished the two that I could see this morning, and I turfed another off yesterday. When they're not parading on the top of the lily in the sun, they're tucked away where the leaf joins the stem, and somehow manage to bury themselves down more when I try and flick them off!!

    I've moved the lily to an area of it's own, away from my other lily pots.

    It's strange, as my mum has kept lilies for 15 years, and never had a problem, and only last year we tripled our stock and this year we have the first signs of it!

    Do I need to wait for the lavae to hatch, or should I just try the fly killer spray technique now just in case?

    Thanks.
     
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    Spray immediately .:mad: The larvae will be hatching out and the little critters cover themselves with s##t :mute: to make them even more repulsive :gaagh:

    I notice even though I sprayed 2 weeks ago some of my flower buds are damaged. :cry3:

    So I will spray on a regular 2 week basis :dbgrtmb:

    Just checked and my lilies are clear at the moment and I need to respray this weekend.
     
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    Thanks for getting back to me. So should I use a regular fly spray, and cover with a bag, cut a slit and leave it? How long would you say to leave it for?

    My buds are still very much tucked in at the moment shrouded with leaves, but I guess they can still do damage. I will make sure I spray as soon as I get in from work. I love my lilies too much!!

    Do you think the spray will be effective in killing the lavae before they've hatched?
     
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    They only go for one patch of lilies that I have - dunno what type there are (other than "dirt cheap T&M offer :heehee:), but they are much taller, and more chunky stems, than the other lilies I have - so maybe the Beetle is fussy?
     
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    Yes, funnily enough they are attracted to the largest and chunkiest one that towers above the others at the moment .....little treetreetreetreetreetreetree. Got them from a Taylors bulb centre in Lincolnshire very cheapy last year- lovely though.....Lilium Eyeliner.
     
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    Found loads on mine again this year. They are only just coming through and the leaves are covered with bite holes. I had been squashing them but im sure that they bite. I got some ultimate bug killer for them this time, see how they stand up to that.
     
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    Squished 10 tonight ... but managed to capture two Ladybirds to eat the Aphids on my Aubergine plants.
     
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    Well, the Lily Beetle is definitely on the move by the sound of all the comments:paladin:
    While the Beetle is a pain biting holes in the Lily leaves, the larvae is the one that will do the most damage if it is allowed to. As Pamdish says, the larvae cover themselves with their own treetreetreetree and it's makes it harder for a pesticide to get through.:gaagh:
    It's a bit like the Chicken or the Egg, the larvae does the real damage but we need to kill every Beetle we see because although they like sitting in the sun, they also like to procreate every chance they get:hapfeet:
    So for me, if you're using the Fly Killer and Slit Top Plastic Bag method I would have thought it would be best to do it every time you see a Beetle, that way you'll also catch any larvae hidden away as the Fly Spray does kill them.:yahoo: Kill the Beetle and you'll hopefully stop the larvae:yess:
     
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    I had a go earlier. Caught another one of the things but took great delight in squashing it. I habe fly and wasp killer, it kind of comes in a room spray type can, and accumulates like a white coating on the leaves so i was a bit unsure. Do you think this will be safe to use?
     
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    Hi Cosmos, when you're using the Fly Killer/plastic bag method use a big enough plastic bag to allow you to move the can around to force the spray into all of the bag. You don't have to spray directly onto the Lilies because the mist of Fly Killer will settle on all parts of the plants while they're inside the bag. You're getting that white coating because you're spraying directly on the plants.
    The best thing is to wipe the white coating off, the insecticide will still be on the plant, to make sure Bee's don't come into contact with it until it's dry.:yess: Once it's dry, with being a contact pesticide, it won't do any harm. Also, if you can, do it in the early evening when the beneficial insects are in bed:D
     
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