Margaret Thatcher has gone on.

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  1. Scrungee

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    Freddy, the unions were ok, when they just looked after the workers rights, it was when they decided they could run the country things got out of hand.
    I never did join a union, there was a builders strike back in the early 70s, when everyone was on strike for one reason or another.
    I was an apprentice at the time so was unable to strike anyway, but the union called everyone out on strike, there was no strike pay, they were skint, the money paid in by members long gone on the officials.
    After that every builder I knew stopped paying their dues, and I never joined.

    I have no problems with unions if they do what they are there for, unfortunately things have now gone too far the other way, and the employer has the upper hand.
     
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    When was the last time we had a serious discussion in "the muppet show"?, its still the funny section as far as I'm concerned.

    ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK !!!! Section For General Banter And Laughs Including Jokes
     
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      Which for the most part, is what they did. It's the same old story, the minority spoil it for the rest. I've been a union member for nearly 40 years, and I've never been involved in a strike, but is that newsworthy? No, of course not. I used to be a shop steward and sole representative of my union. My main aim was to represent the members, not lead. Don't get me wrong, that nitwit Scargill had his own agenda, but it just annoys me when I hear folks knocking the unions. Without the members, they are powerless, and for the most part, the members are just ordinary decent folks, just like the folks on GC, well, I say ordinary, of course, Zigs is the exception:heehee:
       
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        I agree with you entirely Freddy.
        But as you say some, especially back in those days, had their own agendas.
         
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          Now.
           
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            Until we work out a section that won't atract people looking for porn the the muppet show remains the adult section of GC.

            Please deal with that, we've not closed this thread, partially because of a request from yourself Pete.

            Admin do need to sleep sometimes;)
             
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              I don't agree with celebratory street parties - have some respect, for pity's sake - but as a major world leader who never minced her words or was afraid to go for exactly what she wanted I think robust evaluation of her life is perfectly in order, and that will have to include negative as well as positive statements depending on your point of view. Millions of people felt passionately opposed to her, I don't think that can be suppressed in favour of sycophantic adoration, just because she has died. There is a long-term legacy to evaluate here. But offensive gloating is completely inappropriate and doesn't do anybody's cause any favours.
               
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                This may be a job for...'Robo-mod'!

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                  Naah, he's a Wuss, Freddy,......Us Admin sleep with one eye open:snork:
                   
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                    You're right about a minority getting a bad name for the majority. It happens in all walks of life.

                    During my life I've been a member of only two unions. The first was the NUS but I'm no longer a student :heehee:. Funnily enough, the second (different) union was also the NUS which is now the NUT. I was a staunch supporter of the union until they started doing things that I thought were wrong - and said so. I stopped objecting after they 'sent the boys round' :sad: :mute:. I'd have left the union then but it was a closed shop in those days.

                    When I started my own business my bad experience didn't stop me from inviting the union rep to talk to my staff every year - but none of them were interested.

                    I didn't approve of what Scargill was doing, didn't approve of the Miners Strike and didn't approve of the unions striking during the 'Winter of Discontent', but it doesn't mean everything unions do is wrong.

                    Similarly, not all that Thatcher did was wrong (or right).

                    Those periods are over, so I just can't understand all the public vitriolic abuse and the demonstrations and riots!!! :scratch: I have friends who lost their businesses and some lost their homes (and all their staff lost their jobs) because of the strikes but they don't go on about the unions! It's over. We just need to learn from what has happened on both sides.
                     
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                      I think it might be clear what my view of Thatcher was, but I don't understand the logic in the celebrations that are happening. I can understand people not being upset, but surely the best way to express your contempt for somebody is to simply not acknowledge their passing at all. I wont be attending any celebrations, because if I did I'd be acknowledging that this woman somehow still has some impact on my life. I never respected her enough to let that happen. She can't have any of my time. Simple.
                       
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                        I think Maggie was a product of the times. If it wasn't her leading the Tories some-one else would have been there making similar decisions. Or worse, imagine if Ted Heath had carried on or even even worse Michael Foot! Either of these would have rolled over when the Falklands happened. She also stood up for us against Europe and it would be interesting to know how say the Germans are now viewing her, I reckon they are relived she has gone. I'm sure that those folk here in the UK holding street parties are celebrating for very different selfish reasons, same as the poll tax rioters that brought her down didn't turn out on dole day.

                        At least in those days it was obvious what views each party had and which class they supported. Now all politicians have been through the blender and live in the middle ground. Maybe that's a good thing and reflects our more settled times.
                         
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                          Its very nice that you havn't closed it, thankyou for that.

                          But who started it?:)
                           
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