Monthly Newsletter - take two

Discussion in 'Member Requests' started by Steve R, Nov 24, 2011.

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  1. watergarden

    watergarden have left the forum because...i'm a sad case

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    Doesn't bother me, my post is just my opinion.

    You did, but I do not agree with what is written

    I do not agree with that either. Some one has to input all the email addresses (ok, cut and paste, / similar or.......) That is going to take time. (may be minutes, I don't know) its all a persons time that has to be paid for. But you still have to send it, that is going to use bandwidth, it is that that will really cost and sending out 120,000 emails can not be free from cost.

    If it is as "easy" as you say, why don't you do it, you can start by sending everyone a PM.

    One other thing.

    You send multiple people an email they did not ask for or want, is that not called spam?

    (oh, and have the popcorn back, this one is salt, the one I gave you was sweet)
     
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      The forum is already setup to send emails so no one has to input the email address's, the addon utikises a server side technology called "cron" this is an automated load spreading service that spreads the sending of the mails over a period of a day, uses litle or no bandwidth and the bandwidth that is used is negligible.

      It is very easy to do and is done via the admin control panel, the "cron technology" does the work, Sending pm's is nowhere near the same thinga as the ammount allowed to be sent by a member is significantly smaller, therefore a much bigger job.

      When people sign up or join here they can alter their own profile and choose to have emails sent to them by the admiinistrator or not, if they do not change it, they get the emails and therefore it is not spam.

      Have both popcorns, I really dont like it sweet or salty!

      Thank you for your comments

      Steve...:)
       
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      shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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      Edit - I wrote this before Steve had put his post up.

      Before I start, I'm not volunteering for anything :WINK1:

      I'm not quite sure I'm getting all this! :scratch:

      Although I've now been retired for 10 years I'm still involved with quite a lot of organisations. One of the main things that I do in those organisations is to listen to what people say can't be done and then attempt to get them done - which usually succeeds.

      The, apparently, simple process in this case would go somewhat like this:-

      Does the organisation think it might be a good idea? If not, then why not?
      In this case it appears from what Marley says that there is a feeling that what they do (mainly a single mailing per year) is all they want to do.

      I have no problem with this but as my job of investigator/facilitator does not let me stop at that I would then ask, what's the harm in trying if we have a volunteer to do it?

      Further steps would depend on the answer to that!

      Watergarden, in the process of what I do I would then look at the comments for and against. Steve says it can be done (Is he volunteering? I don't know yet!!!) and your response seems to say that you think it can't. A closer analysis of what you say 'this is just my opinion' seems to imply that you think it can't be done :).

      I would then look a bit closer at the situation before making any more assumptions. It's pretty clear to me that admin and moderators think they are busy enough now to not want to be involved in anything further. I think they do a great job and accept that as a good enough reason.

      Does that end my work in these cases? No! I simply ask, is there a reason why someone else can't do it, if it's feasible? That's why organisations co-opt people.

      No one has come forward but Steve hasn't said he's not willing to do it. Is Steve willing to do it? If the answer is no, then there's no need to pursue it further.

      Taking the points discussed so far, it seems as though there are two threads to follow. Yes it can be done easily and no because it is too costly or too much work.

      Steve says that he actually does this now/has done this and it's easy. Looking at it from a position of a technical imbecile :D, it appears that Steve says the current system can make it operate quite simply, and I would take that as a given until shown otherwise.

      The 'spam' situation doesn't appertain to this situation as everyone has the ability to turn off the email facility and was able to decide that when they became members and at anytime since.

      Sending it as PM's is a non-starter for any member as we are only able to send five at a time but sending it as an email (from admin) works - as they already do so once a year. It would appear that the facility is there to do that part easily - but admin may say that Watergarden is correct and that it takes a lot of work.

      Bandwidth, a foreign language to me, - do we have it? Does it cost? Only admin can answer that.

      So:-

      Is the idea a good one?
      This seems to be the only question that requires an opinion from admin and members (although the opinion from members is not a pre-requisite).

      Once that is answered then there are just a few simple questions (the answers may not be simple).

      Do GC (webmaster, admin) want to give it a go if we have a volunteer who thinks it can be done?

      Do we have a volunteer? (Steve?)

      Is there is a technical reason why it can't be done? If there is, can this be changed easily? (Check with the volunteer.)

      Will it cost and is there sufficient bandwidth? :scratch:

      It seems fairly simple to get to this stage - so I see no reason why there should be any argument on here.

      Is there the will? Can it be done? Over to you - my job's done and I'll send my invoice. :heehee:
       
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        The answer is "Yes" I would do it.

        The webmaster would need to download and install the vbulletin addon software (free) and configure it. [Normally I would and have installed it myself as that way I can rewrite some of the code if its needed]

        Then one of two scenarios would need to happen.

        I would need access to the admin control panel to actually send the email after having written it, for that I would have to be given admin status.

        or

        I write the email and submit it to admin and they send the email, which is more favourable as the less admin's there are the lesser the overall security risk for GC and I do not want the admin status.

        Steve...:)
         
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        If we turn off the e-mail facility because we don't want to receive the newsletter, then what do we do if admin want to send us something of importance.
         
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          Most forum softs have the ability to overide members email choice if they need to send something mega important, a box must be ticked for that.

          Steve...:)
           
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          Could somebody post a copy of the last GC 'seasons greetingsl' email/PM? from last year on here to show just what's normally sent out as I can't remember/have lost mine?
           
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          I have looked for it Scrungee, but it seems it was one of the many lost files during the changeovers....
           
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            Jack McHammocklashing Sludgemariner

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            OP
            It was only four weeks ago YOU were leaving and never coming back ?

            There is NO financial gain to the site as it is FREE

            TOO FREE unless the admin can get the donations button sorted

            Honestly IF I saw donations received £25, as I know it costs £30 to maintain then I would click and donate the required FIVER for that month

            I could not care if as a result 400 other members did it also and the owner went into good profit, the Fiver is worth the information and friendlieness I have received on here

            The missing members as stated previoulsy have asked a few questions got the answer and bolted, so to come back they are not going to be extra gardeners to offer advice to advanced gardeners or to the beginners, so no gain to the experience, only the hits

            AIUI The site is still tops of the google stakes
            I find the gardening forum very good, and I also like the non gardening banter forum too

            Just IMHO

            Jack McHammocklashing
             
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              As you know so much about it all
              Why do you not send the owner the code to correct the donations button on pay pal,
              You code it and send the email with the code for him to apply "simples"

              Hey you could even click the donate button to try it out first, to see what is happening

              I have been in IT since 1980 write HTML and SQL only I have been out of it for ten years

              I mean it only takes a little of your time to be generous and donate the info to the site
              As YOU do not want ADMIN status then there is no problem is there?

              Therefore you can help YOUR community Steve

              Failing that I have been a Network engineer now for the past ten years I will have to go back and refresh my programming skills, see what I can do

              Oh hang on
              There is a copy and paste PAY PAL donations page

              I will help the site tomorrow

              Regards Jack McHammocklashing
               
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                Things can be done if you put your mind to it :dbgrtmb:

                When Robert Fulton proposed his steam engine driven boat, Napoleon is rumoured to have responded, "What? You would make a ship sail against the wind by lighting a bonfire under her decks? I have no time to listen to such nonsense!" :heehee:
                 
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                • watergarden

                  watergarden have left the forum because...i'm a sad case

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                  Not wrong there were you Jack McHammocklashing, I like it.

                  (Posted:9th October 2011, 01:19 PM )

                  Perhaps the last word should go to zebedee, from "magic roundabout"

                  Time for bed.

                  But this is better
                   
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                  • Steve R

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                    Not strictly true, circumstances dictated I could not be around is what I said, unless circumstances changed...which I'm glad to say they did.

                    Good night Watergarden, need a light left on?

                    Steve...:D
                     
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                    It's probably time to close this topic now as it's strayed far away from it's purpose. Anyone with further comments/criticisms of me can use the pm facility.

                    It's fairly obvious the newsletter idea wont be used now.

                    Steve...:)
                     
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