Neonicotinoids vote

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  1. pete

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    We cant lose the Bees, I agree totally.:dbgrtmb:
    But ask anyone why?
    They will say, "because they pollinate all our food".
    And provide "us " with honey.

    Not because people like bees, no one gives two hoots about bees.
    Which is the point I'm trying to make.;)

    It's all about, "US", the human race:frown:
     
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      I find it sad that the usual reason trotted out for the bees dying off is its because of those nasty farmers spraying everything that produces all their cheap food.

      We never hear about acres of land being cleared for car parks in cities,parks with few flowers just grass,people paving over their front gardens,and most gardeners only growing instant flower displays for just a couple of weeks in the summer.

      Im sitting in Edinburgh right now and looking out my windows overlooking many gardens i cant see any flowers,just lawns and a few small bushes. Few insects,no small birds and Im in a leafy part of the city.

      Maybe if the cities were to grow more flowers in gardens,parks,road verges,car parks etc over the majority of the year and farmers were to keep increasing the number and health of hedgerows the population may recover somewhat?
       
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        Course we noticed, we're just very polite lol
         
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          What's going on is they say they're deciding by "following the science ". And we all sighed and rolled our eyes... Chemicals is and always will be big money so "bad" is replaced with "good", rinse and repeat. Different products, same companies trotting them out and yes I hear the cynicism in this but...
           
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            @pete I am not missing the point I have 5 different people in this area who are bee keepers and friends so I am thinking of the Bees, but @WeeTam is also right in that too much countryside is being covered in houses and tarmac and a lot of today’s gardens don’t want to grow stuff or even the odd flower. They want a perfect lawn and the nice patio and conservatory in all the new houses around here just about.. I am lucky I still live in a village but at the moment we arevare fighting 2 developments which will increase our village by one third over night.. We do not have the infrastructure for that many houses but local council can only see £signs and just say yes all the time..

            We are losing our countryside, our wildlife insects and plants to housing as farmers don’t farm and grow like they used too so therefore are happy to let some go and the Govt don’t care... Well that’s my take on it.....
             
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            • pete

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              But basically what they(the EU) are saying is, that it is that very countryside, that we are losing, which is killing the bees.:scratch:
              The spraying of pesticides on the countryside, that is.

              Apart from fruit growing I cant think of much farmers grow that actually attracts bees, large areas around here either grow rapeseed or grain.
              Not sure, but I dont think rapeseed relies on bees for pollination.

              The loss of gardens and wild flowers could be a factor I guess.
               
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                Oilseed rape is pollinated by bees including honey bees . Also don’t forget beans and all the legumes.
                 
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                  They're all down here in ShineyLand. :blue thumb:

                  The bird song and the buzzing of bees is deafening and I'm dodging bumblebees all the time. Actually, they're much better at dodging me! Even in yesterday's drizzle they were still landing on my jacket for a quick rest. :)

                  The major problem I have with the bees is when I mow. I'm forever chasing them out of the way :doh: @Sandy Ground don't forget, when you come over next year, that you said you would think of making something that would help. :thumbsup: Waving a long cane in front of the mower is quite awkward. :sad:
                   
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                    The problem with oil seed rape is that there is a lot of flowers in a short time span then there is nowt else to feed of, also oil seed rape is sprayed at the flowering stage which some farmers will spray early morning or late at night but there are some that don't, Good and Bad farmers and Gardeners, also there are some farmers and gardeners that break the rules and law when spraying chemicals if this was adressed it will help the bee's

                    Oil seed rape is also used as a break crop between wheat,barley and oats, also if prices are good more oil seed rape is planted, so one year lots then another year less oil seed rape, poor bee's don't know wheather their coming or going

                    Then there is the use of heavy chemical gasses to control bugs/insects in food and animal feed stored products which when the gasses have done there bit of controling bugs and insects are vented into the atmosphere

                    Edit For Pete
                    There are chemicals, liquid and gasses that were made back in the 30's-40's that are still use today, but they are only use by licened professionals to control exstream infestations
                     
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                      No farmers don’t grow much these days that need the Bees.. One of the farmers around here has 1 big clover field on his land.. if you go over on a sunny day the field is absolutely alive with the Bees and because he cuts several times a year 1 half of the field at a time there are clover flowers all through the summer up there but he is I think in a minority.. Most around the village are Dairy, but go say 5-10 miles and it is all grain of one kind of another.. I do have to say that the practice of leaving a strip all around the fields for wildflowers again is being championed again which helps.. We just need the farmers who still use the bad stuff to change their farming practices, back to the older ways of hedgerows, headlands and the margins around the edges.. We were sent a paper from Reading Uni as my grandsons are in farming and it is good sensible reading about the agri environment I think..
                      Field margins and conservation strips
                       
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                      • pete

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                        I was under the impression that oil seed rape is blamed for the massive increase in pollen beetles.
                        So I thought they were probably the main pollinator, but that is just something I read a while ago.:scratch::smile:
                         
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                        @shiney dont worry I've not forgotten...as regards bees, I've never seen as many in my garden as I have this year. So the invention will be well tested!:)
                         
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