New Idea for Runner Bean Frame

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  1. shiney

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    John,
    I know someone who has grown their beans inm a similar way for as long as I can remember but he has taken it one step further :). He has built his frame more like a polytunnel and grows beans up both sides and underplants with root crops nearer the beans and salad crops alongside a small walkway in the middle.

    Kristen,
    I have been using the X frame method successfully for over 30 years :gnthb: and have also been growing two plants per cane for that long. As I grow so many (150 planted out so far) I save time and potting compost by growing them in seed trays. I get 24 to a seed tray planted in 12 sets of 2. I first soak the beans for 24hrs then pot them and they usually germinate in about 4 days. They are then planted out when they are 6" high, before the roots intertwine.

    Blackthorn,
    I have grown them in the same spot for over 30 years with no problems at all.
    I don't know much about leaving last years roots to grow for this year but I know that Kandyfloss did it last year. Don't know whether they cropped better or worse but you can ask her.:thmb:
     
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    Here is the, permanent, Runner Bean frame from Helimingham Hall - local stately home with a walled kitchen-garden that must be about 2 acres.

    How the other 0.000001% live, eh? :D
     
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    I started the beans in the greenhouse and only put one per bamboo also i will move the scaffold tubes in the winter to a different area i will take couple a of photos tomorrow
     
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    I'll be very interested to see your photos golfer.
     
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    Here is my sort of box frame i had great yields last year and its easy to take down and move to another area of the garden.

    Each upright TUBE (x4) drops into a plastic downpipe that is in the ground about one foot then the steell tubes drop into the plastic downpips and the cross piece tubes are held on by a scaffold clips the advantage of this is one can plant between the frame not wasting any ground and lettuce etc will come long before the beans i am able to plant 40 beans 20 either side.
     
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    Forgot to put this photo in sorry about that as you can see the lettuce between the scaffold most of them have gone by still a few left.
     
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    Wow that is a substantial structure golfer, I wish I had enough scaffold tubes to make mine, it would have saved a lot of time.

    Its not quite the same as I've constructed, mine has an open side facing south so underplantings can continue right through the season. Also mine has the angled overhead strings, the idea is the pods will dangle down making it easier to harvest. Time will tell if its a success.

    With yours I guess you walk through the middle later in the season to get at the beans?

    Very interesting to see yours though thanks, and your beans are making good progress already.
     
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    Hi

    Yes i can walk between to collect the beans your idea is good maybe i will try another structure next year will have to get some more tube and errect one like you got.
     
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    Thanks golfer, I'll see how I get on with mine, but now I see your frame and the Helimingham Hall walkway (on Kristen's post #17 above) I'm wondering if I can create an entrance into my veg patch along the same lines, it wouldn't be on such a grand scale of course.
     
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    The Helmingham Hall one has quite a lot of space between the uprights. I wonder if they let enough light in that it flowers on the inside? That would look rather nice I think.

    They have a massive herbaceous garden alongside the central path through the walled garden. I presume the ladies in crinoline strolling through the garden didn't want to see anything as mundane as vegetables!!

    Google Satellite image may give you some idea of scale!
     
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    We have trouble with the late afternoon sun beating on us in the gazebo so this spring we built our lean-to on the west wall of the gazebo......very like the one beside the greenhouse and we hope it will settle much of our problem.

    I like the X plan and will do that with our sugar pea bed.
     
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    One of the advantages of the X frame method is that you can run clear plastic along the sides of the lower section (up to the cross bar) and you have a ready made cloche that can be used to start plants off early. You can fix the plastic to the canes with pegs. :gnthb:
     
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    Thats good shiney, I sometimes make up cloches to protect my early beans but have to jury rig something.
     
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    I've put bell cloches over one row (of four) of my Parsnips, Salsify and Scorzonera to see if it makes a difference. They've only been planted a few weeks and, subjectively, I think the ones in the bell cloches are coming on a lot faster.

    Might be a way to "spread" a crop but allow sowing / planting more-at-one-time

    A bottom-less 2L "pop" bottle would probably do as well. Might try that with some small Lettuce plants I aim to plant this evening ...
     
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    Found a picture - there are 4 rows, across my 4' bed, and one is "cloched"
     
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